News: Higby Update on Air vs Ground Balance

[Goldeh]

Originally Posted by psychobilly

Talking about the ground-to-air rocket which we paid for. It is getting nerfed so it can no longer dumb fire on ground targets. If it was a problem they should have lowered the AV damage, but it won't be the same weapon we paid for.

Should allow a station cash refund, at a minimum.

EULA says that you're leasing the weapons you buy. You don't "own" the gun you buy, you permanently rent it. This gives SOE the right to do whatever they want with the guns you buy.

[Bags]

Why do people act like they deserve a refund? AA / AG rockets were complete upgrades over the default, you should have seen the nerf coming.

Are people going to whine for refunds every time SOE balances something?

[AThreatToYou]

Originally Posted by Bags

Are people going to whine for refunds every time SOE balances something?

Yes.

[Dragonskin]

Originally Posted by Goldeh

EULA says that you're leasing the weapons you buy. You don't "own" the gun you buy, you permanently rent it. This gives SOE the right to do whatever they want with the guns you buy.

This is actually how iTunes works if you need another real world reference.

[Deathwalker]

I have a much better idea...

Scap ALL current rocket launchers and bring back the Lancer, Striker, and Phoenix, in all their glory.

Hate to be a whiner, but i hate the current launchers even more
The past ones had so much character, and uniqueness. The new ones are so unbelievably generic and all just reskins of eachother.

On a positive(?) note, at least Deci is returning?
Although, it was more of a specialty weapon and not much of a dedicated AV launcher.

[DirtyBird]

Regardless of the weapon in question, balance is one thing, changing how a weapon originally functioned is another...imo.

And I am sure they are more than capable of playing the EULA card, if it ever gets that far.
As it is, EULA or not, they've asked for feedback, questions and concerns.
I've obliged.

[Sturmhardt]

The dumb fire change is okay imho because an aa launcher is just not supposed to be an av launcher as well. You need to specialise. They should offer refunds though because these weapons will be much less awesome and some people may not want to use it anymore.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

The dumb fire change is okay imho because an aa launcher is just not supposed to be an av launcher as well. You need to specialise. They should offer refunds though because these weapons will be much less awesome and some people may not want to use it anymore.

I hate to be "that guy" but ESF don't have to specialize (unless I didn't read all of the patch notes).

No matter what rocket pod they choose an ESF will always have the front gun. So if an ESF gets A2G rockets they should be weak to other aircraft for choosing to cert into attacking ground, if what you said is true. But without having to give up the front gun for rockets that will never be the case as that gun is damn good for AA and dog fights.

Everything but ESFs have to specialize into something. Be that a jack of all or for a certain type of weapon, everything has to choose one weapon per man. I think that making an ESF give up something for rockets would fix most of the rage over them. AA would still need a looking at but if an ESF had to pick just one weapon like the rest of the vehicles then a lot of bitching wouldn't be happening in my opinion.

[TheSaltySeagull]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Lock on Rocket Launchers (AV and AA):
- Range Increase
- Faster reload time (to compensate for lock on time)
- Now require lock on to fire


This is going to make a lot HA players rather mad. If Im reading that right it is removing the ability to dumbfire AA and AV lock on rockets. I understand not having dumbifre for AV but not to have it for AA is going to really hurt AA based HA troops once the air is cleared or if armor rolls in.

Maybe the other adjustments will make this moot with other AA weapons being more able to do the job. Wont know till we play the patch.

You will be in the same boat as the other ground based AA platforms the dual burster max and skyguard. They are worthless vs anything that isnt aircraft and in a situation like you describe would have to change equipment. HA will have to do the same thing. You at least have your LMG so you can engage infantry which is more than can be said for the MAX and SG. So I personally don't see this as much of an issue.

[Mox]

Not a word about boosting the skyguard. The skyguard is useless atm it really needs a buff. HA AA on the other side is allready strong enough.

[Sturmhardt]

Originally Posted by Mox

Not a word about boosting the skyguard. The skyguard is useless atm it really needs a buff. HA AA on the other side is allready strong enough.

True, the skyguard needs a buff... It's like it's not even in the game atm.

[Wahooo]

They said Flak is getting increased projectile speed and minor damage buff.

[KaskaMatej]

Well, everyone that thinks AA vs Air is OK, why are they then buffing AA and nerfing Rocket pods?

I'd really like to see their attempts of counter-argument.

[Stanis]

My predictions:

Use of lock on AA will drop.
Without the dumpfire option it will be mostly useless.
It is already less useful with the increase in flares certed by dedicated pilots.

The decimator will be a direct fire equivalent of the basic dumpfire AV
Will only hit stationary barn doors.

It would be nice if the lock on only AV had a reduced lock on time.
Or certs to reduce it.
Hard enough firing at the tank zerg without being stationary for 3 seconds.

[Wahooo]

Love how they announce an AA buff and then put the second burster arm on sale... way to actually gather proper info on the subject. Buff "flak" when the SG and Turrets needed buffed not the burster and then make it easier to get more bursters out in the field.
*sigh*