Snipers: Because I care.

[Tobias]

If the tank crew is in the same squad they will share BEP, but tank driving can be fun, you get to run over all those padestrians you have always wanted to, and you get to play a cool racing game where you get shot at. Of course, as only other Tanks and reavers can really hurt you, its not all that challenging.

[EarlyDawn]

Yo Warborn, does the Striker use a "Radar Lock" typed concept, or is it laser guided like the RPG in Half-Life? I've heard conflicting reports.

[Peanut]

Veno, don't judge the things in the game too much before you've actually toyed with them.

The tanks (well, vanguard at least) aren't slow lumbering things...they're fast as greased weasels. You can run down pedestrians fairly easily, and it takes a decent amount of fire to kill them. And you'd be squaded with the rest of your tank crew, so yes, you'd share BEP.

That small group of infantry usually can't get off more than 0-2 shots before they either get gunned down or flattened.

I'm partial to the vanguard.

[Nubi]

TR all the way, brutha.

damn ur on my side

oh well, I'll just snipe off the enemy sneaking up behind y- *bam*

oh nm, got him

[�io]

I agree with everything War said in initial post, they are balanced.

The only 2 things that i didn't like and ultimatly will make me have sniping cert on very few chars is

1- It takes 3 cert pts alone to use it and that's if you have the med assault cert. That's a lot of cert pts. That's a mosquito cert you could have had, or a MAX armor cert, or hacking,etc.

2- No area dmg. I just don't like sniping if i can't use my skills to aim carefully and get a headshot. I got screwed 1 more than once when sniping simply because despite the no headshots i still aim for a headshot so i take too long to shoot and eventually die. Headshots is a very important and cool part of sniping for me.

[Warborn]

LNS0388:
Yo Warborn, does the Striker use a "Radar Lock" typed concept, or is it laser guided like the RPG in Half-Life? I've heard conflicting reports.

The Striker is a lot of fun to use. It has two fire modes -- dumbfire and tracking. In tracking, if you keep the crosshairs focused on the enemy vehicle you want to have it track, the target list will go from, say, "Reaver", to "Tracking Reaver". Then, you fire, and the missile does its own thing. The benefit of this is that, unlike the Phoenix, the missile does not require you to manually aim it, and thus waste time. The downside is that sometimes enemy pilots can avoid the Striker missile if they see it coming by putting an obstacle between themselves and the missile.

So, yes, "radar lock" is how I'd define it. It isn't at all like the Half-Life missile launcher.

Veno:
Tank driving has to be the most boring profession... First, you can't kill anyone unless you can run someone over before your gunners take him out, which limits how much bp you will get... (unless tank crews share xp, i do not know)

I never let anyone who isn't in my squad and isn't in voice chat with me into my tank. It's simply way too inefficient to try and type warnings etc to your gunners. Also, BEPs can kiss my ass. I'm there to fight.

Anyway, tank driving obviously isn't for everyone. I think it's a lot of fun though, and I'm sure others would agree. Controlling a powerful weapon like a tank and being responsible for its well-being is good enough for me.

And second, if you try to leave your tank you will get shredded by anti infantry guns due to your shit agile armor.

That's probably why any tanker worth the cert points he spent on the vehicle will withdraw to a safe location before getting out of his tank to repair it.

Also, Agile armor isn't bad. There's not a major difference between it and Reinforced in terms of longevity. There's a noticeable difference, but it's still a hell of an exaggeration to call it shit.

If anything, I wouldn't even hop into a tank as a gunner, it's a death trap to any small-medium group of infantry with strikers, lancers, decimators, or phoenixes.

Anti-vehicular weapons take a little while to kill a tank. Usually in that time, from my experience, I can either run over the offending infantry, or just sit there while my gunners mow them down. I really doubt how much experience you've had with a tank saying stuff like this. Anti-vehicular weapons can be a problem, sure, but even if I ran into a lot of them, the tank is still quite fast, so it's no problem to kill a few, withdraw, repair, and come back.

P.S. can you shoot someone out of a basilisk/buggy or does only the vehicle take damage?

Only the vehicle takes damage.

NeoTassadar:
Awesome, I always thought being a sniper was too easy. Since there's a trail for Bolt Driver, the only real disadvantage to Lancer is lack of ammo (but the Lancer's trail a lot more visable). Maybe CoF also, but I doubt that.

Woo, now that the NDA is gone I can talk about it. The Lancer sucks ass for sniping. I find it really odd that people would even consider using it to snipe to be honest. First, the game has what seems to me like damage modifiers based on the type of target you're hitting. Meaning, infantry are extremely resistant to anti-vehicular weapons. It would take you more shots with a Lancer to kill someone than it would with a Bolt Driver, by far. Not only that, but the Lancer doesn't have a very good built-in scope like the Bolt Driver. To further compound matters, Lancer clips are much larger than a Bolt Driver clip in terms of how much inventory space is consumed, and their clips only hold 4 rounds rather than the 5 a Bolt Driver has (this is common for all anti-vehicular weapons -- they take up much space). And on top of all that, the Lancer, despite its very good accuracy, is not as accurate as a Bolt Driver at extreme ranges, I can guarentee you.

So, Lancer sniping is really not a good way to snipe. But as a side note, I don't think the Lancer leaves any projectile trail (it's difficult to tell when you fire it, because it's instant-hit more or less).

[HRR Raven]

As tanker you need to fear a skilled reaver pilot. We like to call tanks BEP Boxes, because in a couple of high speed passes you blast the sucker away

[The President]

Hey Veno, from what I've heard the pilot in open air vehicles (buggies, quads) will take the shot. I hated that in Halo when the vehicles would transfer the damage. Hope i helped you out man.

-The President

[Venoxile]

I loved that in halo, sniping people out of their warthogs as they ran away. You ever snipe an elite out of one of the covenant tanks in single player? Hardest shit ever, you have to have the shot hit him in like a 3 inch squared area on him.

Back in the day (about 2 weeks ago) I owned people so bad in 12 player games (system link) with the pistol and the sniper rifle together. Damn that was some ownage, i love shooting people out of tanks.

[The President]

Yeah man the pistol is like a compact sniper rifle, I take more people out with that then with the sniper rifle.

-The President

[EarlyDawn]

Can somebody else confirm that you cannot be shot in an "open" vehicle? If not, that would remove a big part of sniping for me.

[Venoxile]

depends on what range for most people. For me not really, i can kill someone with the sniper rifle at medium-close quarters combat range even and not miss a shot.

[EarlyDawn]

I'm refering to Planetside.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by LNS0388
Can somebody else confirm that you cannot be shot in an "open" vehicle? If not, that would remove a big part of sniping for me.

I can guarentee you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you can't kill the driver or gunner of a vehicle if they are on the vehicle. I've used a Basilisk at very close range to enemy infantry, and not once have I ever recieved damage beyond that of the Basilisk getting hit. There is no way to snipe people in vehicles.

{HRR} Raven:
As tanker you need to fear a skilled reaver pilot. We like to call tanks BEP Boxes, because in a couple of high speed passes you blast the sucker away

Reavers generally try to get right behind me and match my speed while attacking. It's no big deal though. If I have both gunner spots full, the Reaver will die to the dual 12mm chainguns before he can take me out. And even then, I can usually shake them by using trees and walls to get between myself and them.

You know, come to think of it, I don't think I've ever died to a Reaver before. Most of my deaths in a tank are actually from turrets of facilities and towers when they're automated via an Interlink Facility.

[The President]

Thanks for the input Warborn, though that saddens me because that was gonna be an awesome part of sniping, but alas i will stick to taking out infantry with the bolt-driver. Thanks in any case though.

-The President