Mr.Vicchio's TOP 10 things WRONG with PS, and Sporks reply.

[cell.nerve]

I like the hart, makes that chaotic vehicle craze in the sancs with all the galaxies, makes it feel realistic like ur going to battle and makes the game more based on teamwork than random drops

[Metroid]

Ugh.. the stairwell excuse DOES NOT WORK. Why? Because your opponent has the same limitation. So you want to file hundreds of people into a tower with no penalty? Sorry doesn't work that way. That's the whole bloody point of the system. If your gonna hit your own guys becuase they fill the stairwell, then DONT SHOOT! If your opponent is doing the exact same thing, then they are getting grief for shooting their own guys too.. If you outnumber them 4 to 1, let your forward troops fire till they die then move down, you can still swarm and crush while your opponent reloads. I participate in tower battels all the time, and the only GP I ever get is from firing on turrets and the tower being captured right before my damn missiles hit the turret, bam instant grief. I even spam doorway swith Reaver rockets.. I JUST DONT FIRE WHEN FRIENDLIES ARE ENTERING THE BUILDING! >_<

[MrVicchio]

You Metriod, have never tried to take a tower with 10-15 enemies spawning in it... how can you take the tower without shooting? That made NO SENSE WHATSO EVER.

[mistled]

And if there is ever a time when there are not friendlies around the doors, then you are talking about a whole different scope of battle than I am.

[Metroid]

No offense Big V, but how can you possibly work for PSU? You don't even read full posts.

And yes, actually, last night my squad + 2 other squads fought terrans at a tower. Well over 15 Terrans were swarming the tower, 3 max's on the roof + occupied turrets. My squad provided MAX/Reaver support, and ultimately got the hack, the other squads bombarded the top/doors to keep them from getting out. Once we made sure the MAX's couldn't get their armor again (killed/reequiped/cameoutside/killed) we charged in, max's first. Most of the max's died, but 2 of us threw grenades down using the 3 second bounce, hit the wall and buonced down farther, kept pushing our way down with forward troops (the rear didn't stupidly fire at the front). As far as I know, out of 3 squads only 2 people got grief from it, two maxes who were firnig at the turrets when the tower turned. ONe in my squad. It was a brilliantly fun battle.

It's a simple matter. Don't fire AE weapons by your allies. Don't fire weaopns you can't aim. Don't fire if you think your allies are gonna charge infront of you. Let them fire, die, and you fire. Either way your opponent is expending ammo, unless of course he's a max, in which case you should have anti vehicle anyways, especially with the new patch!

And btw.. they didn't implament the "hit a enemy/dont hit a friendly' in today's patch. Does it mean they wont? Nah.. but this is the major overhaul of the grief system, so it only stands to reason the likelyness is slim to none.

If your in a tower hallway, especially one where your opponent is SPAWNING, this means they are limited to the same area as you. A tower hall. Even if they wait in the basemetn, they are limited by the width of the hall. As a matter of fact, people in the basement are more likely to hit allies then people at the top of the stairwell. While I think AE fire hitting the backwall may be an issue (lashers) which would be a way to hti opponents and not hit allies, all sides have ways of diong this so it balances out.

I apologize for being the lone voice in the thread, but I'm really not. Many, many people have no issues with the grief system. An organized squad will always beat an unorganized-firewhileyoucan-squad. Yes, I realize you can't control your teammates, which is why you let THEM go in FIRST, die horrible painful deaths to the enemy flood, and you rush in next while the enemy is reloading. I've seen it work so many times it's silly.

[AmbientOSX]

New megapatch calls for moving the control console to the 3rd or 4th floor of towers...

[Scout]

It's Scout yo. I been playin since i got accepted and i dont know why ya complainin bout all dat stuff =\ ...hehehe get some skillz like me i fookin own.
[J/k bout gettin skillz thing :P, i still own at this game tho =) ]

Ya man all i need is a cycler to own everything...tho that anti vehicle striker helps some....
<---combat engineer
<---adv hacker
<---cycler ownz all
nuff said

vich 6 of us took 2 complex's in like half an hour the other night booyah!!! ownd da VS peeps

TR 4 lyfe

(o ya and w/ the 10 other points ill eventually have i plan on gettin basilisk or somethin for me to places fast and scout or go 2 man team..never underestimate the power of the harasser that thing ownz infantry....um probably anti-vehicular or snipin even tho sniper doesnt help me much..i just go cycler w/ zoom implant....and last 4 i go reaver or mosquito..no need for health if i can hack equip term and get health packs)

[Scout]

since ive been playing for like a week and a half b4 open beta cuz i got into closed thats prob why i not havin as many problems

editahhh one last thing vich ill be lookin for ya on the battlefield i play under names : Scout, Vaurcyn, Afilgalia...dont ask they are from other games.)Mainly afil will be my main ill be lookin to own you

[Shryn]

I'm don't feel like I have a whole lot of opinion on this topic, but for the sake of perspective I guess I should post. I've only been playing for a week and a day, and I very seldom have an organized squad for reasons that aren't relevant to the grief system. Usually I'm just helping other squads and if I get invited into it for a while when we're working on the same thing that's cool. Point is I'm not bein an especially organized fellow in this. I fly a reavor so my armor sucks. I had a repair cert till this last wipe, and carry the repair rifle in my one rifle slot (to repair my reaver! ) and I have my rek in my 2nd pistol slot. So when I'm stuck on the ground and needing to slay my way into or out of a tower I generally stick to grenades, frags against inf and plasma against maxxes. I have enough room in my inventore for about 8 grenades because I don't need to carry a lot of ammo for my useless weapons. Point is, I lob these grenades around, and if I have a supressor I'll shot that, and almost every time I throw a grenade I get grief. Now that you've probably determined that I'm a TK'ing bastard who you'd really like to avoid meeting on the battlefield, I can cut to the chase:

I've never ever had a weapon lock or even a warning due to griefing. I can't imagine makeing the system any easier on people.

In game I'm Aramis, and handyer to have around than it might seem like in this post.

[Destroyeron]

I swear I wasn't the one that crashed the Galaxy.

[Revolver]

About the Phoenix, you probably haven't used it. The thing is so sluggish it takes about 100m to turn 90deg. The Striker is alot better IMO (I play NC (Dalton), TR (Johari), and VS (Markov) btw). The Lancer is the Best AV/AA Weapon I think. Direct fire rulz.

[BlueKnight]

Gee scout your l337. /sigh

Anyway, the Greif system does need work. Everyone knows this. If you think otherwise then it is mostly because you don't like change. Ever fired at an anamy running around in your base, missed him, and hit some peice of base equipment? No, well either you need to find your trigger or you are a better shot then I.

I have yeet to get a weapons lock. But when I am standing there, some enemy is shooting at me and some twit jumps in front of me so I can't fire back, should I stand there and wait for him to die while I am taking AE damage? Or do I say screw it and let him die with the enemy. Why should I have to pay for some twits mistakes?

Friendly fire may be realistic, but look at how many CS servers keep it off. If you have ever run a CS server you would know why. It is a PAIN to make it so that the people who know how to play with FF can coexist with those that don't.

Tower battles as a ton of fun when you have lots of people pouring into them. But if you have a MAX/AV do you just stand at spawn because you can't shoot without causing AE damage to friendlies? Chances are you will have a tank outside the tower doing AE damage to most people inside and you can't even see him let alone fire at him. Personally I think the fix is rather simple. It will not be fool proof, but just get rid of none line of sight AE. You won't get greif points from what you can't see, and you won't have people dying without a chance of even defending themselves.

[BUGGER]

Bringing back the grief system, how about lag. Someone is gona lag and run into you, or your gona run into them. Yes you may see then walking into your path, but when you let go of the trigger, it'll take a quike second for te gun to stop shoveling out ammo, which makes a problem. I'm not taking sides, but lag is an issue and will pop up form time to time making you turn too fast or shoot when you stopped shooting a few seconds ago.

But then watch for your teammates, its actually a good thing i say cuase if he steps between you and the enemy, he servers you as a personal shield. It also gives you time for the cursors to close in more and possible to reload. So use the interference of your teammate as an advantage.

[NoSurrender]

Its so hard Being a TR AV max (the nade launcher) when u try 2 go in and shoot nades ppl always run in front of me it is possibly the most aggrivating thing i got 74 grief pnts in one night

[BurninSun]

Why not just mirror the grief points? I'm greifing you by shooting you, you're greifing me by standing in front of my bullet. You still have to be careful of ae'ing friendlies but at least the n00bs that don't pay attention or cut you off on purpose will get GP's too.