The "Real" Bad Buys

[Hife246]

About the topic on the TR wanting to take out the Vanu Technology.. ever think they have a reason?? I mean a good reason though.. not "they're TR." but Warborn (As usual) is right..

And also.. in war.. ur team is always right and teh other is always wrong.. if u think differently.. join the other team.

[Kikinchikin]

well honestly even tho im TR, TR seem to be the kinda bad guys, but ina good way. they rnt insane. NC seem to be thegood guys, kinda like wut braveheart would have sided with. now the Vanu i see them as being crazy and bad. but yeah im starting to get into teh whole get order back thing. its kinda nice to have a ultimate goal. NC have it too i guess not sre for vanu.

[NeoTassadar]

Hey, us Vanu just wanted to push the pretty buttons on alien gizmos to see what happened, and the Republic opened up with chainguns. The Vanu made no hostile moves whatsoever. And...uh...um...they started it!

[Doppler]

Unfortunatly history tells difrent tales about William Wallace then what was portrayed in the movie, but it's hollywood you expected that right? I think if the TR are destroying vanu tech it's to rob the sovreinty (sp?) of their powerbase.

Me personaly i'm swayed by both NC and TR rehtoric, what won me over you ask? Goggles, or rather the lack of them. TR reminds me of Mad Max on acid.

[NightWalker XI]

TR Reinforced Exo looks like its wearing a bondage mask from a crazy sex movie

Anyway I choose VS because I like their cause, they ARE fighting for survival, they were curious as to what the technology could do and they foud rebirthing technology, the TR was afraid that they may find somethign powerfull or whatever and they wanted the technology secured and locked away, the Vanu was started by scientists who ran from the oppresors and made an empire were the Vanu technology was the center of it all, the Vanu want to help human society become greater than what it is now, to further our humanity, we are good, you are oppresors and tyrants, you msut pay for your crimes you commies!

[Doppler]

Where is the Vanu royalty? I thought that was a requisite of a soveriegnty? (sp?)

[Arkitan]

I prefer to think of the Terran Republic as the bad guy of course I'm TR so I guess I'm a bad guy.

[Airlift]

A wise man once said:

Ours is not to wonder why
Ours is but to crush disloyal colonists

[NeoTassadar]

Originally posted by Doppler
Where is the Vanu royalty? I thought that was a requisite of a soveriegnty? (sp?)

Ahem, prerequisite. And it's Tobias. Or me. *Stares upward regaly*

[Zentenk VA]

I think of Vanu as venemous creatures out to kill! TR look like a bunch of guys that get in brawls in a bar and drive Harleys. NC look like good guys.

[Sando138]

Heres how i see it. The NC want freedom from the Terrans. if you read the NC site, it says that the Terrans blasted apart a peaceful deonstration of Liberty's Call with riot troops. If that's not oppression, what is? they also don't like the Vanu because they think that what the Vanu plans to do to us has negatives that outweigh the positives, and their persistence to do so even without our permission if nessisary makes them an enemy

The Vanu want to change humanity for better or worse. they will use the technology to make us something both more and less. something no longer human (but not quite humane, in my opinon). and they don't want to have to ask permission from TR or NC to do so.

TR wants unity. Unity creates peace in the long run, but it unfortunately causes our creativity and intelect to stagnate. why else do you think that we are still using bullet weapons a thousand years hence? They are fighting what could be considered traitors, at least in their eyes. They arent really all bad, an theyre not really all good, either.

[Prowler]

NC > *

[Warborn]

if you read the NC site, it says that the Terrans blasted apart a peaceful deonstration of Liberty's Call with riot troops. If that's not oppression, what is?

It's oppression, but it's necessary. The fact that the Terran Republic has kept humanity together under one banner for over 1k years is a pretty good sign that they're doing something right. Personally, if some radicals are staging demonstrations protesting the government, then the stability of the society is being shaken. There are always people who are willing to take advantage of the supposed failings of the existing government and use it to bring themselves to power.

Really, in today's socieities, your personal freedoms all come at a price. Because people in many nations are free to express themselves and share their thoughts completely unfettered, bad things happen in the form of evil governments coming to power, terrorist groups being formed, and crazy cults that drink poisoned Kool-Aid in order to leave their body and go to Neptune or whatever wacky shit they committed group-suicide for. While, yes, you do lose the ability to gather in a crowd and block traffic because you think pissing people off when they're going to work will make them agree with you, it really depends on whether you're willing to take the good with the bad, and of course, which you consider worse. Is it worse to allow totally free speech when so much bad spawns from it, or is it worse to restrict what people can rally about and otherwise control what is available for public protesting?

Anyway, according to my Terran Republic site here, the New Conglomerate is a group of malcontents who wish to terrorize the patriotic forces of the Republic. Obviously we can't really believe any site as the absolute truth, because each has its own take on things. While I wouldn't put it past the Terrans when it comes to killing some protestors who were seeking to destablize the government, I don't think you get the whole story from that either.

*EDIT*

By the way, I don't think the backstory was intended for intense scrutiny. I wouldn't suggest going much deeper than this, or we might break it.

[Ducimus]

Originally posted by Neohunter
In this big conflict of war...who's the bad guy?

Well, good guy vs badguy is alot like asking who's wrong and who's right.

Nobody goes to war thinking their the bad guys. To whoevers envolved they will always view themselves as the good guys, fighting on the right and just side; while the other side is in their views the badguy, on the side of evil.

The problem is, when both sides think this, who's to make the decision on who's wrong or whos right, and by who's standards do they use?

Ultimatly, i don't think there is any one universal truth or standard to which we can make that determination. War just, IS. It is what it is, its a horrible, aweful thing, when politicians or goverments lock horns with another. There is no glory in war, and their are no winners except those than survive, on both sides. All an individual soldier can do, is hold true to their comrades, and their nation. Because ultimatly, all you have is the guy next to you and the home you want to go back to. So when its down to that, who cares who's good or bad? It doesnt really matter.

Formerly,
SSGT, USAF,
REDHORSE Combat Engineer.

[Zatrais]

Bad guys, simple...

Its the NC and the VS, the VS wish to remove our humanity, hell they're already doing it by making us never dying sterile soldiers. If everyone was like that evolution would stop and humanity would cease to exists due to the widespread madness that mass "immortality" would create.

Then theres the so called freedom fighting NC thats nothing more terrorists that commits acts of war against a republic thats keept the peace for over 1000 years!

Loyalty until death!