Tank drivers acting as gunners in PS2

[dsi]

Originally Posted by IDukeNukeml

So lets stop bitching about the AMS being gone, the MAX unit possibly getting a flame thrower, the lack of buggies, no free form inventory, class specific soldiers, instaknives, no artillery, MBTs being primarily operated by the gunner, the cash shop, the PC gamer beta key and cloakers getting sniper rifles...

SOE is going to do what SOE wants to do and I really believe they Will do it right this time.

>Doing all of those things and doing them right



I hope SOE changes their mind when they see 1k tanks trying to fit into a courtyard. Or a lightning trying to speed over hills and stick with the air fight. Or people running out of ammo and not being able to do anything because they can't loot.

[SgtMAD]

after seeing the Vanny column going after the Prowler,I am even more convinced that the driver gunning a tank is a big friggin mistake

[ThGlump]

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

after seeing the Vanny column going after the Prowler,I am even more convinced that the driver gunning a tank is a big friggin mistake

Look at them in battle against VS. Mag were moving, vanguards just sit at one place and shoot as its hard to move and shoot at once. Those tank battles will be very often static.

[Canaris]

I've been thinking about it, think I'll prefer the main gunner being the driver

[MrBloodworth]

This is a giant pander to the non-team work crowd.

It's called "Playing alone, together".

God forbid you need others to bring high firepower to the battle.

[TekDragon]

I would rather tanks have 3 seats. Main gunner, secondary gunner, and driver. The driver can choose which seats to lock out. If the main gunner seat is empty, the tank driver can fire his weapon directly ahead, with a 10 degree vertical control.

If the driver wants to have full control of his tank's main gun he needs to switch seats. This should be done with a single button press, but should take at least 1 second to switch (since this is sci-fi we can imagine the pilot HUD rebooting into a weapon HUD). From the main gunner seat the main weapon can be completely controlled, but the tank can only move forward and back - no directional control.

It's only with 2 seats filled (main gunner and pilot) that the tank can have full maneuverability AND full turret control.

That's balanced.

[ShadoViper]

Didn't read most of this thread due to time constraint. Sorry if this idea was already posted.

A simple solution to this could be allowing the tank driver to cert into a gunner tree that would allow another player to use the main gun for him. Making it a similar setup to planetside.

[psychosiszz]

If we take the BF3 mechanics, driving and gunning a tank should be fairly balanced. For instance being a secondary gunner on a tank is very useful as the second gunner protects the tank from infantry and also air (im sure there will be a anti-air upgrade for the secondary gunner). Secondary Gunner can also act as a tank commander and spot targets or be the tanks engineer and repair the tank etc.
So the team work is still there if players want to get the most out of the tank.

[Azren]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

Look at them in battle against VS. Mag were moving, vanguards just sit at one place and shoot as its hard to move and shoot at once. Those tank battles will be very often static.

This is pretty much it. I feel sorry for you non VS folks. You will all have to stop to get good aim, or move in very close.
If you stop, your tank will be air cav bait. And seeing how effective air-to-ground missiles are, you will die fast. If you try to get close, you will run over mines or just get picked of by your opponents before you can get close.

Did you see ANY of the vanguards turn it's turret past 90°? No? Wonder why... They can't see squat of what's in front of them, so they fall off cliffs, run into trees, ect if they do.

Originally Posted by psychosiszz

If we take the BF3 mechanics, driving and gunning a tank should be fairly balanced. For instance being a secondary gunner on a tank is very useful as the second gunner protects the tank from infantry and also air (im sure there will be a anti-air upgrade for the secondary gunner). Secondary Gunner can also act as a tank commander and spot targets or be the tanks engineer and repair the tank etc.
So the team work is still there if players want to get the most out of the tank.

Well, good thing we don't. BF3 does not have an unlimited number of tanks. Seriously, how many BF3 gun positions would be used if anyone could pull a tank in that game? None I presume.

Anti air on MBTs will not be required. Even if you put AA on them, it was stated that they will only have medicore power. So what is better, one MBT with a medicore AA or one MBT + one lightning, with the best AA in game? Both take two people to operate, diffrence is that the lightning + mbt combo will be far more effective.

[ThGlump]

And reason to have gunner to protect you against air goes vain. You just easily switch to gunner position and kill that pesky reaver yourself. Why waste gunner position when he can have his own tank = twice armor, twice AV dmg, twice AA dmg.

Q: Will vehicle occupants still need to get out to change seats?
A: No

[Azren]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

And reason to have gunner to protect you against air goes vain. You just easily switch to gunner position and kill that pesky reaver yourself. Why waste gunner position when he can have his own tank = twice armor, twice AV dmg, twice AA dmg.

Q: Will vehicle occupants still need to get out to change seats?
A: No

What? In which interview was this? If this is true, there is no argument supporting two manned MBTs anymore. Well played SoE!

[ThGlump]

Originally Posted by Azren

What? In which interview was this? If this is true, there is no argument supporting two manned MBTs anymore. Well played SoE!

http://www.planetside-universe.com/p...ity-qa-102.htm

[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

Q: Will vehicle occupants still need to get out to change seats?
A: No

Dear god NO.

[Raymac]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

And reason to have gunner to protect you against air goes vain. You just easily switch to gunner position and kill that pesky reaver yourself. Why waste gunner position when he can have his own tank = twice armor, twice AV dmg, twice AA dmg.

Q: Will vehicle occupants still need to get out to change seats?
A: No

1) This may not apply to the tanks, only to transports like the Sunderer and Galaxy.
2) If it does apply to tanks, then your tank will be immobile and a sitting duck. A stationary target in the middle of a battle is toast.
3) The seat change may not be instantaneous. They could balance it with a 1-2 second time delay.

I don't like the idea either, but let's stop fucking panicing every fucking time we hear something new. Please.

[Azren]

Originally Posted by Raymac

1) This may not apply to the tanks, only to transports like the Sunderer and Galaxy.
2) If it does apply to tanks, then your tank will be immobile and a sitting duck. A stationary target in the middle of a battle is toast.
3) The seat change may not be instantaneous. They could balance it with a 1-2 second time delay.

I don't like the idea either, but let's stop fucking panicing every fucking time we hear something new. Please.

1) Doubtfull
2) It will be immobile either way. As seen in the recent videos, you can't drive and gun at the same time, hence you stop for better aim.
3) Entering and exiting the vehicle is instantaneous, why would this be different?

The AA you lose by not having a gunner can be easily suplemented by a lighting. What this would mean is; your duo has the best AA in game (lighting) and a backup AA (MBT) if needed.

With seat changes there is no more any logical reason why two solo MBTs would not outpreform an MBT with gunner in almost any situation.