NC = Toast

[noxious]

I am well aware that you were talking about a single faction. I addressed that as well. Even that claim is totally unfound.

I did a little research into the number of active people playing on each faction (who are also in an outfit) during the week of Sept 8 to Sept 14. The numbers are a little curious. These numbers are for Emerald.

TR: 3903
NC: 3600
VS: 3516

There seems to be some sort of anomaly here, since NC consistantly have higher numbers of players actually playing. Perhaps they are more active then? Ah yes, looking at battle rank distribution it is clear that NC consistantly must have more players playing, specificly at battle ranks 15, 17, 19 and 20. They are more or less equal with VS at 18, both are much higher than TR, and at 16 the factions are quite even, with NC having a slight edge.

So what can explain the population dillema? The NC are active. Their players are gaining battle rank, and skill, at a rate much faster than the TR, and somewhat faster than the VS.

If you delve into the individual populations active during playtime (which I have not done consistantly enough to back this claim up with definitive numbers), you will see numbers consistant with this analysis. The NC, contrary to what you continue to try and claim, do not have two times as many players playing, even /who agrees with this. They have more, no one here has argued that, but not two times as many as even one faction. A high for them is 40%, while they may go higher, it is extremely rare. Even this leaves 60% to be distrubited between the two other factions. In order for one to be outnumbered two to one by the NC, they would have to be outnumbered two to one by their other enemy.

Any way you rationally look at it, your claim simply can not be substantiated.

[Queensidecastle]

I did the same stats tracking. Those numbers a meaningless for this argument because it doesnt take into account what time the person is playing. There isnt any point in trying to nitpick my argument since we are basically saying the same thing. I am saying very often up untill last week NC would have as many as 2x as many players as say TR during primetime, hence the alliance. Now we may argue wheather its 1% up to 50% more players on the NC side but the fact remains that NC had a much much larger ammount of people online during these times


Start tracking primetime population distributions and get back with me. Anything else is meaningless

[Happy lil Elf]

Your not a really bright guy Happylilelf. What did I fucking tell you about responding to my posts? Your commentary is always full of shit, and I am sick and tired of your flames and personal attacks. When you start acting like an adult you might get some respect from people on this forum

And what have I told you Oxo? As long as you continue to make things up to support your own arguments, I will continue to call you on it. Respect on an internet bulliten board has never been something I seek or crave. I simply call them as I see them, and I keep calling bullshit on you because you keep saying things like this.

While the server population for a whole day may not reflect 2 to 1 the stats do not track pops at primetime and what conts they are on. The fact of the matter is that a given cont like Foresal very often has 2x the number of NC vs TR on it during primetime. Do you actually think that NC on Emerald dominates because they have all the skilled players?

/who all teams tells you the percentage currently playing the game, Oxo. Not the daily average. If you're outnumbered on any given continent that can't be blamed on anyone if the number of people currently online is relatively balanced. It simply means that your enemy brought more of their available people to that continent.

As far as why NC does better I don't know. Maybe it's because we always seem to fight either TR or VS where as you both seem to contantly split between both your enemies. Or it could be any number of things. It could be average playtime per week. Maybe NC plays more on average and thus would indeed have more experience in the game overall. In the end I don't thik andyone can say. There are too many factors to consider to really say for sure.

In closing, once again if you don't like me calling you out on things you make up and exaggerate stop making things up and stop exaggerating thngs.

[Queensidecastle]

And what have I told you Oxo? As long as you continue to make things up to support your own arguments, I will continue to call you on it. Respect on an internet bulliten board has never been something I seek or crave. I simply call them as I see them, and I keep calling bullshit on you because you keep saying things like this.

Wrong. You follow my posts around because you are a devil's advocate troll. Its not being clever, its just stupid. Your opinion on the matter is just as full of shit as anyone else's because that is all it is, an opinion. You dont have any data, despite the fact that you think you do, so just STFU. Just state your opinion on the forum like everyone else and move on.

I know exactly what the /who command does. Unless you have the data of /who during primetime for the last 3 weeks then there isnt anything to discuss.

In closing, no one likes a Devil's advocate Troll who likes to personal attack a poster's idea with thier own brand of horseshit, so cut it the fuck out or find someone else's posts to troll, capische?

[Incompetent]

It has nothing to do with the supposed "skill" of the NC and everything to do with how they fight. Whoever you fight you always have to put up with the same shit, being spawncamped, owned by tanks whenever you step out a door and everyones favorite friend HA making everything miserable, but with Vanu, you can almost be garanteed that they are going to fight for every inch of ground, no matter how bad it gets for them they will almost never get up.

With the NC, if you start to gain the upper ground they all just disappear half the time. You see it all the time on forseral, they'll cap all the way down to Caer without a fight, steamroll the few guys who try and stop them down to Ogma, and then every last fucking NC will disappear. So alot of people, I'd guess anywhere up to 1/2 have just said, fuckit, I'm fighting tr/vs whenever I have a choice. But thats still not what brought it around, what brought it around is the NC don't know when to shut up and leave well enough alone.

[noxious]

Originally posted by Queensidecastle
I did the same stats tracking. Those numbers a meaningless for this argument because it doesnt take into account what time the person is playing. There isnt any point in trying to nitpick my argument since we are basically saying the same thing. I am saying very often up untill last week NC would have as many as 2x as many players as say TR during primetime, hence the alliance. Now we may argue wheather its 1% up to 50% more players on the NC side but the fact remains that NC had a much much larger ammount of people online during these times


Start tracking primetime population distributions and get back with me. Anything else is meaningless

I am confused at your side of the argument as of now, I'm seeing some conjecture. Earlier you were saying that NC outnumbers TR or VS 2:1. In this post you say "Now we may argue wheather its 1% up to 50% more..." As we all know, 50% is not 2:1. It is 1.5:1. A 100% increase or 100%+100%:100% = a 2:1 ratio.

Also, while I have not been tracking actual numbers, I have been tracking which empire is in need via the login screen during primetime (if I have to post this data I will, but I think it's almost a given even without). This indicates further conjecture in your arguement, as you state TR is often the faction outnumbered 2:1. If this fact, which isn't one, were true, then that would mean NC outnumbers VS by a ratio of more than 2:1. The problem with this? Ealier in one of your posts you stated explicitly that you are not claiming the NC outnumber BOTH factions 2:1, only one of them.

[Queensidecastle]

jesus your taking this as literal as a science experiment. Saying NC has 2 to 1 TR on Emerald during primetime may not be perfectly acurate but it is a simple way to express that NC was outnumbering TR by a massive ammount without trying to write out a calculus equation. Like I said, these stats do not exist so you have to use observation, and thats where the Alliance came from. The NC zergs were so large and unstoppable in comparison to our own forces that you couldnt even slow them so TR and VS decided to team up and split it. So far its working great.

[Happy lil Elf]

Wrong. You follow my posts around because you are a devil's advocate troll. Its not being clever, its just stupid. Your opinion on the matter is just as full of shit as anyone else's because that is all it is, an opinion. You dont have any data, despite the fact that you think you do, so just STFU. Just state your opinion on the forum like everyone else and move on.

Don't flatter yourself. I don't follow anyone around least of all you. In fact a large part of me usually cringes when I see you've posted something because a discussion like this is almost sure to follow. I do have data. I use /who. Do I take screen shots and save them? No, of course not. I have no reason to. At least I'm basing my argument on something other than there "seems" to be more NC.

I know exactly what the /who command does. Unless you have the data of /who during primetime for the last 3 weeks then there isnt anything to discuss.

Yes, there is. You're spewing bullshit and I'm calling you on it. You have no proof and, because I wasn't obsessive enough to take screen shots, neither do I. However you're making statments I know to be false, so I will call you on them. How do I know? Because I do /who all teams quite a bit and pretty much only play during primetime. Where does that leave us? With you throwing a hissy fit and me sitting here laughing at you apparently.

In closing, no one likes a Devil's advocate Troll who likes to personal attack a poster's idea with thier own brand of horseshit, so cut it the fuck out or find someone else's posts to troll, capische? [/B]

Devil's advocate troll? Do you even know what the phrase "playing devil's advocate" means? Jesus. I'm not playing devil's advocate you illiterate dipshit, I'm refuting your false statments. Why do you always seem to get targeted? I don't know, maybe because you keep making shit up and exaggerating?

People aren't overly fond of lieing shitheads either unless I'm mistaken, Oxo. I don't attack your ideas, I attack the "facts" you post that are untrue. Saying "NC outnumbers TR and VS 2 to 1 on a nightly basis" is not stating an idea or opinion. It's stating a fact, or at least it would be if it were true. Stop stating things you think as facts and possibly these "discussions" wouldn't happen.

[STEALTHKILLER]

all i have 2 say is this thread should be renamed, tr+vs have 2 form a alliance 2 beat the nc

all nc join in:

*sings*

"We are the NC, the mighty champions. FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!"

"We are the NC, the mighty champions. FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!"

"We are the NC, the mighty champions. FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!"

"We are the NC, the mighty champions. FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!"

[Queensidecastle]

Happylilelf: I am going to make this Really fucking simple for you

Stop godamn trolling my posts. This is the last time I am going to say it so pay attention. I dont give a fuck what you think about my posts. You continue to show your ass on every board community I have seen you on, following me around polluting thread after thread with your bullshit. I am not going to tolerate your trolling bullshit on my Planetside board of choice so take your usless critiques to the flameboards over at Sony with the rest of your kind.

I will not be responding to you again because slugs like you ruin the fun of coming to various messageboards. You need to get it through your fucking head that we are not going to agree about gaming topics. You will be ignored from now on. Good day

[Ghryphen]

Stop godamn trolling my posts.

Umm, ignore?

[Queensidecastle]

Cool, done. I didnt know you could do that here

[Happy lil Elf]

Jesus Christ Oxo, is it so hard to admit that you exaggerated something? Oh well /shrug ignore me or throw another fit, either way it has no bearing on the original point

[noxious]

Originally posted by Queensidecastle
jesus your taking this as literal as a science experiment. Saying NC has 2 to 1 TR on Emerald during primetime may not be perfectly acurate but it is a simple way to express that NC was outnumbering TR by a massive ammount without trying to write out a calculus equation. Like I said, these stats do not exist so you have to use observation, and thats where the Alliance came from. The NC zergs were so large and unstoppable in comparison to our own forces that you couldnt even slow them so TR and VS decided to team up and split it. So far its working great.

All I ask is you admit you overexadurated. You were called on it, just admit it now. No sense in dragging things on and making yourself look concieted. It is important while debating to be able to admit when you are incorrect, as you clearly are in this case. Weather you choose to or not however, I am done with this aspect of this thread. The treadmill has grown too thin.

[TheRegurgitator]

Originally posted by Acaila
Don't pretend like this consipiracy has just begun, it's been going on for months! Now is just the first time it has borne fruits is all.

yes this has happened for along time

TR almost always takes the NW and Vanu take the SW and were squeezed in the middle

if i had a nickel for everytime ive been pushed to gunuku on cyssor sandwiched between TR and vs id be rich