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[Giovanni]

Originally Posted by Kikinchikin

Completely right. And I could get on a high horse and say how the Democrats will change everything once they get a candidate in office, but chances are good it will just be more of the same. It's going to take an honorable and effective administration to get things back in order or else the people will take it into their own hands.

Both things won't happen.

It's in our nature to be malevolent. A select few resist the call of money and greed. Also, the general population is too lazy to do anything, it's evident that capitalism doesn't work but people aren't doing anything about it.

Also, it takes alot of money to take a party all the way. You really think a party with high values and no money will get far? Come election day they'll say: "Who the fuck is that guy?!" and check the name of the moron who said the most keywords!

Keywords being words that make the focus group tap the pedal like mindless idiots.

"Values" *Focus group taps the pedal*
"Reform" *Focus group is confused*

Why is it so? The majority of people out there are idiots. It's been said before "Never underestimate the power of stupid people, in large groups" and it's been proven last election day. The people voted... but they didn't know who they voted for...

It's true, they had two choices:

1. Bush, the idiot.
2. Kerry... the other idiot.

Voting for one or the other is choosing to replace an evil by the other (more or so) and quite frankly if the people had to chose between three guys:

1. Bush
2. Kerry
3. Brand new guy with a good stance on most issues, atheist and open about it with almost no funding...

They'll go with one or two... because they will have the most coverage and the most keywords such as religion wich apparently means moral fiber for alot of the rednecks out there! "He beleives in god! He must be good!"

People don't want a good leader, they want someone with values to wich they can identify to. Who wants someone in office that has a great stance on say: Nature preservation or health-care when they could have someone who's loaded with cash that will say the word "god" every 3 sentences!

That's the sad truth for the majority of people... there's really no way around it. The mass will lead our future and the mass is full of idiots and nuts.

[Ivan]

The human race as we know it now has not and if things continue the way they are now, will never be able to rule them selves fairly for justly.

[Giovanni]

Originally Posted by Ivan

The human race as we know it now has not and if things continue the way they are now, will never be able to rule them selves fairly for justly.

God damnit! Ivan just wrote in two lines what I said in like... )!&($!?(8665419 paragraphs!

Damn you Ivan! :P

[Ivan]

That's cause I'm cooler than you.

[Giovanni]

I know... you and all those magnificent dildos!

[Kikinchikin]

There's no completely effective form of government other than perhaps a direct democracy, which is completely impossible with the amount of people in countries (plus you'd still have to worry about factions). I don't really want to get into a political ideology debate, but to provide a short term and relatively easy "fix," we could start by removing the "winner take all" electoral system so that other parties could potentially have a legitimate chance. I know that Europe has this, and granted it still doesn't solve a lot of the problems, but it would at least be a step in the right direction.

[Giovanni]

Actually a socialist/partly communist party would probably do a great job.

For example: Those big companies that give nothing to society with overpaid CEO's etc. give them an ultimatum, you still direct the company but under a goverment salary or you lose it all and we put a new boss.

The profit are then used for fixing shit (health-care system, roads, etc.) do the same thing with overpaid athletes (hockey, etc. 150000 to play a fucking game should be fine especially with all the fame they get).

Reduce the military budget (a little...)

Take care of the unemployed etc. (kicking the leeches off the wellfare system and putting them to work as labor)

There's alot of sutff that could be done to fix the problems that plague our society... sadly... our goverment would have to be the equivalent of Hitler's NDSAP but without the racism and war mongering (before the war they fixed alot of problems germany had).

I personally think it would work... but maybe I'm crazy.

[Kikinchikin]

Communism... doesn't... work.

[Rbstr]

Human greed get all up in it's grill

[Biohazzard56]

OT: Gio's Sig OWNS

[Giovanni]

I didn't say total communism. I said partial. Mainly the whole forced work and company controlling parts.

[Kikinchikin]

Think about it though, forced work gives no one any drive to succeed to escape the hassles of work and achieve early retirement. I can't think of any element of communism that could be applied practically to society. It's a nice set of ideals, but the fact is humans will always look for a way to 1-up each other no matter what. Government inhibition of this instinct wouldn't work.

[Rbstr]

Heavy socialism can work, but Communism can't, Human nature just doesn't let it.

People forced to work do not do good work, and if sallaries are capped and you get paid the same no matter what, why the fuck should a company's controlers care if it does a good job or not.

Anyway I think one law could fix the disparity of wealth:

An company's top executive cannot make X% more than the lowest paid skilled worker(an engineer, a MBA'ed manager, someone with a technical degree ect. Janitors and that type would be thrown into a revised minumum wage system that figures dependants into the equation[discrimination based on family would not be allowed]) in the company.

That way if an executive want's more money the rest of his workers get more too.

[Kikinchikin]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

Heavy socialism can work, but Communism can't, Human nature just doesn't let it.

People forced to work do not do good work, and if sallaries are capped and you get paid the same no matter what, why the fuck should a company's controlers care if it does a good job or not.

Anyway I think one law could fix the disparity of wealth:

An company's top executive cannot make X% more than the lowest paid skilled worker(an engineer, a MBA'ed manager, someone with a technical degree ect. Janitors and that type would be thrown into a revised minumum wage system that figures dependants into the equation[discrimination based on family would not be allowed]) in the company.

That way if an executive want's more money the rest of his workers get more too.

That's actually a pretty decent idea.

[Hamma]

Indeed. Rob for President!