Should camo be obtainable without money?

[Thorondor]

Originally Posted by meiam

I'm not arguing the stigma make sense or is logical, I'm arguing it exist and some player who would buy camo are conscious of this.

It damn sure doesn't exist in Tribes Ascend.

[Sephirex]

Originally Posted by Xyntech

I once bought a cosmetic pimp hat and I got a funny feeling in my pants.

Okay, I WOULD be ashamed of that.

[Winfernal]

Can i use the term "leecher" for people not paying?

[Crator]

[Whiteknight]

Originally Posted by Xyntech

I don't know who designed that abomination, but kill it! Kill it now!
Kill both the person wearing it, and the designer of it.

[meiam]

The kind of people who frequent PSU will only make a fraction of the player base. Most people are just going to see "Oh a nice looking MMOFPS F2P" supporting the game or anything like that will be pretty far from there mind. The vast majority of F2P game have most of there player not paying, I think paying for stuff is going to be the exception not the norms.

It's not like the camo would be handed for free, they could cost quite a lot of exp, even more than gun and such.

It might even encourage people to buy camo because more people have camo, if everyone has camo but you don't, you might want to quickly get one so you 're not labeled "noob" on sight, and maybe grinding for it and forgoing gun upgrade might be something you'd rather avoid, so you'll end up buying it instead.

[demonicale]

Originally Posted by Holmes

I think its better not to, as it keeps more military styled uniformity between most soldiers.

I agree with this, and the need for SOE to atleast make SOME money on they're brilliant investment.

[Shogun]

without the freeplayers, the paying customers will have nobody to shoot at!

there is no player versus environment at all, so every player is content! so the free players are not scum in this game at all.

they are allowed and encouraged to play the FULL game with all expansions and every piece of content totally for free! that´s something almost no other game can offer!
so the cosmetic stuff has to be cash only, because that´s the way to encourage the free players to donate a few bucks without forcing them to do so!
cosmetics is cool but doesn´t give you any power or advantage over the freeplayers.

you don´t want to give them any money, so play the game completely for free, but don´t expect to get some nifty cosmetical stuff.

you love the game and want to donate? fine, you still play the same game but get some nice cosmetical stuff to look cooler.

nothing wrong with this business model at all! if they stick with it, it´s the best businessmodel out there! asking to get EVERYTHING for free is cheap.

i say IF they would add the option to earn everything ingame, they would (and should) set up very high prices for the items that were meant as cash only.
like startrek online. you can get everything for free, but to obtain enough ingame ressources to buy a good ship without real cash, you need to grind for several weeks to months. in this case it´s bad because the ships are power, but the model would fit to cosmetics as well. so people would consider if it´s worth to sacrifice all ressources for weeks, or if spending a few bucks would be the faster and easier way.

[Lythca Frost]

The F2P model we have seen thus far is extremely generous to those players who decide not to play. Definitely should have to have real cash only sales of these 'game unchanging' items.

We'll see people spending a lot of money on this game because of a 'collectors' mentality rather than people seeking raw power, and that's just fine. During the E3 footage (or was it the Higby/TB steam), notice how they boost up the psychological desire to buy 'side-graded' weaponry, but giving them unique names? You were not just buying a Gauss rifle with 'x' instead of 'y'. You were buying a uniquely named weapon, yet, for all intents it was only a sidegrade of the standard rifle.

Brilliant!

[Xyntech]

Originally Posted by Shogun

i say IF they would add the option to earn everything ingame, they would (and should) set up very high prices for the items that were meant as cash only.
like startrek online. you can get everything for free, but to obtain enough ingame ressources to buy a good ship without real cash, you need to grind for several weeks to months. in this case it´s bad because the ships are power, but the model would fit to cosmetics as well. so people would consider if it´s worth to sacrifice all ressources for weeks, or if spending a few bucks would be the faster and easier way.

6 months of constant grinding for 1 silly camo skin sounds about right to me

[Reizod]

Originally Posted by Mastachief

There is no stigma. It's oh look that guy is actively supporting this game with his disposable income. The is not pay to win. Frankly i think people that will play this game and not contribute at all are scum.

This ^^^

I don't think the Devs should be in the business of worrying about "stigma" and player's perceptions. Especially when it could cost them money.

To me, buying any dress-up item would make me feel like I'm donating to the cause of potentially great game. They (SOE) show us love, we show them some love.

[Deezy]

Originally Posted by meiam

The kind of people who frequent PSU will only make a fraction of the player base. Most people are just going to see "Oh a nice looking MMOFPS F2P" supporting the game or anything like that will be pretty far from there mind. The vast majority of F2P game have most of there player not paying, I think paying for stuff is going to be the exception not the norms.

It's not like the camo would be handed for free, they could cost quite a lot of exp, even more than gun and such.

It might even encourage people to buy camo because more people have camo, if everyone has camo but you don't, you might want to quickly get one so you 're not labeled "noob" on sight, and maybe grinding for it and forgoing gun upgrade might be something you'd rather avoid, so you'll end up buying it instead.

Hopefully everyone's out of kibble, so we can stop feeding him.

[Shaermon]

Originally Posted by Sephirex

Okay, I WOULD be ashamed of that.

I don't really see the difference from the regular Vanu max...

[Dagron]

0/10

[aceshigh]

Originally Posted by Shogun

cosmetics is cool but doesn´t give you any power or advantage over the freeplayers.

Not quite true. The desert camo on desert maps like Indar and other camo's for other maps will help players blend into their environment and therefore will provide them with an advantage over freeplayers.

That said, I fully intend to by all of the realistic (power) camo's available. I'm willing to bet that after doing that I still will have come nowhere close to paying what I would for a non-f2p game.