On the fence

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by PhoenixDog

Every civilization comes and goes, no matter how great and prosperous they were. Extinction is an inevitability no matter how much you may know. At least we try and preserve what they knew. They were lightyears ahead of humanity in terms of technology. They knew much more than we ever could.

And even if it is blind belief...Your idea of freedom isn't just. No one can ever be free. Freedom leads to anarchy. You're just as blind as we are. If you had things your way, there would still be laws and limitations that limit the people's freedom. You'll just end up like the TR...The same beliefs you're fighting against. At least the VS accept that no one can ever be free,

Freedom is more than just an anarchistic ideal. Freedom falls well within the bounds of practicality. A society can agree, of their own free will, to make sacrifices for the sake of everyone. No system is perfect, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the TR's "do what we say or else" attitude or the Vanu's batcrap insane ideas of "progress".

[Harasus]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

Actually, they didn't. The last democratically elected official was Connery. Since then, the current TR leadership killed connery and a metric ton of innocent civilians, for the sake of security (). Now there is fully a totalitarian military autocracy on Auraxis. Don't make the mistake of thinking the earth TR and the Auraxis TR are the same thing.

A society where people are coerced into doing what the government wants is not a democracy and is neither worth fighting for nor living under.

I know Wikipedia is hardly the best link, but the way the lore bits are mixed with various previews and interviews, I feel a bit lazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetSide_2#Lore

"Due to the crew's mental exhaustion and provision limit, strict curfews are applied. Later, a vote is held about the necessity of the measures. The positive vote wins, but only barely. There are nearly as many negative votes. A second vote is called. However, a terrorist bomb destroys the ship on which the vote is to occur, killing everyone aboard, including Connery. Curfews pass. Later, the expedition discovers the planet Auraxis, and exactly 175 years later, the war between the Terran Republic and the New Conglomerate breaks out. Following this, a group of people calling themselves the Vanu Sovereignty join the conflict."

The vote passed. If more serious measures had been taken earlier, Connery would have been alive when we reached Auraxis, and morale would have been restored.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Pyreal

The NC have inferior equipment. The VS have a kit with no rival.

Did you not see the Historical Recording recently released in which an NC drone's jump jet failed? It is most common.

Yep. The VS and TR have their nice, shiny guns that they don't care about and throw away like their soldiers lives. They looks pretty good and you can have them too...as long as you're willing to give up your rights or humanity for them.

EDIT: Also, the fact that the NC are able to do so much with so little proves they're the most resourceful and talented engineers and fighters on Auraxis. Hands down.

Originally Posted by Harasus

I know Wikipedia is hardly the best link, but the way the lore bits are mixed with various previews and interviews, I feel a bit lazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetSide_2#Lore

"Due to the crew's mental exhaustion and provision limit, strict curfews are applied. Later, a vote is held about the necessity of the measures. The positive vote wins, but only barely. There are nearly as many negative votes. A second vote is called. However, a terrorist bomb destroys the ship on which the vote is to occur, killing everyone aboard, including Connery. Curfews pass. Later, the expedition discovers the planet Auraxis, and exactly 175 years later, the war between the Terran Republic and the New Conglomerate breaks out. Following this, a group of people calling themselves the Vanu Sovereignty join the conflict."

The vote passed. If more serious measures had been taken earlier, Connery would have been alive when we reached Auraxis, and morale would have been restored.

You're lying by omission. Something the TR are marvelous at. You're neglecting to mention the fact that the TR are the ones who blew up the ship that vote was supposed to be held on, killing their own president and numerous innocent civilians.

Quote from lore, said by TR leadership....

“It’d be an awful shame your Jenny is at the wrong place at the wrong time. I can’t exactly promise that the local authorities could continue to keep your family safe, what with being spread so thin lately. I’ve spoken to far more than just you about this matter, Adam, and the final step before I can begin to put this plan into action is your cooperation. Everything else is already in place, and all we need now is another beloved figurehead. When the time comes, of course.”

Miller stood facing the door and turned around to the grinning Lieutenant Commander, knowing his hands were tied. “Another? You’re sickening, Brent. How do you call yourself T.R.?”

“Because no one will ever find out, Adam. Who would question us if we pinned it on some of Mattherson’s starving N.C. cronies? We’re calling the shots here, remember? I trust that you’ll comply, given the terms of our agreement, correct?” Waterson said, grinning at his victory.

The NC actually tried to SAVE connery...

“I’d say so, Jackie. This needs to get to command before someone offs Old Man Connery. I just can’t tell if Waterson truly believes it or just thinks Connery is hogging the limelight,” Joseph said. He began to stand up.

Extortion, terrorism, corruption: that's not democracy; That's iron-fisted totalitarianism and it's disgusting.

[PhoenixDog]

One does not need to give up their humanity to accept the wisdom of the Vanu. Does one give up humanity if they have a prosthetic arm? Or a Pacemaker? Technology saves lives...It preserves life as we know it. How did we even get to Auraxis in the first place? Technology. We are looking to advance that technology and in turn help progress humanity. We ourselves are weak and pathetic creatures. With technology we can become a much stronger and superior species.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by PhoenixDog

One does not need to give up their humanity to accept the wisdom of the Vanu. Does one give up humanity if they have a prosthetic arm? Or a Pacemaker? Technology saves lives...It preserves life as we know it. How did we even get to Auraxis in the first place? Technology. We are looking to advance that technology and in turn help progress humanity. We ourselves are weak and pathetic creatures. With technology we can become a much stronger and superior species.

The Vanu may have been trying to further humanity at one time. They've since become paranoid and so dead set on changing what humans are that they were willing to resort to violence for no reason. That's enough for me not to want anything to do with them.

[Daemonn]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

Actually, they didn't. The last democratically elected official was Connery. Since then, the current TR leadership killed connery and a metric ton of innocent civilians, for the sake of security (). Now there is fully a totalitarian military autocracy on Auraxis. Don't make the mistake of thinking the earth TR and the Auraxis TR are the same thing.

A society where people are coerced into doing what the government wants is not a democracy and is neither worth fighting for nor living under.

Totally off base! NC were suspected to be behind the bombing of the ship with Connery. The story entry left it kinda open as if VS might have been involved.

NC players have not read the entries cause there are even entries from corporate people conspiring to start unrest. NC was started when the corporations and private security companies started to working together, coining the name "New Conglomerate" themselves.

The NC was first and foremost set up by private rich people looking to get ahead of the government, they wanted absolute power - capitalism if you will. They are simply using the common man to fight their war, they'll just as soon enslave you to a 9-5 as they would give you freedom if they win this war.

I am true to Earth and the only humanity we have known, loyalty until death, the Terran Republic.

[PhoenixDog]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

The Vanu may have been trying to further humanity at one time. They've since become paranoid and so dead set on changing what humans are that they were willing to resort to violence for no reason. That's enough for me not to want anything to do with them.

No reason?? How is the TR or NC doing whatever they can to destroy the very existence of the Vanu and us trying to preserve that "no reason"? We are trying to defend what we believe is the best course of action for the human race. It's your empire that is trying to oppress. You're doing to us what you claim the TR is doing to you.

[Bags]

Just a heads up, the lore has almost no impact past how the guns work in the game.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Daemonn

Totally off base! NC were suspected to be behind the bombing of the ship with Connery. The story entry left it kinda open as if VS might have been involved.

NC players have not read the entries cause there are even entries from corporate people conspiring to start unrest. NC was started when the corporations and private security companies started to working together, coining the name "New Conglomerate" themselves.

The NC was first and foremost set up by private rich people looking to get ahead of the government, they wanted absolute power - capitalism if you will. They are simply using the common man to fight there war, they'll just as soon enslave you to a 9-5 as they would give you freedom if they win this war.

I am true to Earth and the only humanity we have known, loyalty until death, the Terran Republic.

No, my friend. You're totally off base. Go read the "conspiracy" entry; It clearly shows the TR are behind it.

The entry you speak of is a correspondence between some NC higher ups on earth and it shows a legitimate desire to change laws for the sake of freedom of speech and belief. There are undertones of desire for profit, but they ARE a corporation and theres nothing inherently wrong with that, certainly not as bad as brutalizing young women or killing innocent people...

MEMO: FOR YOUR EYES ONLY

Date: July 9, 2630

From: Geraldo Pérez, Founder Freeman Institute

To: (list undisclosed)

Sasha, this isn’t just about whether business or the military controls civilian life, and you know it. You’re aware I was the one who originally broached the subject with Jon W. about forming this alliance because of the underlying direction the Terran Republic’s been taking all of us these past few years. In the beginning, we needed a firm hand on world politics in order for all parties to be able to work together in something resembling harmony. But we’re all working together now and way past needing the military to control every aspect of our lives.

Most in the T.R. are good people. They truly think they’re doing the right thing. They really believe there’s a danger of sliding back into the chaos and wars of old, but I disagree. I think over the last two centuries we’ve moved beyond those days. I believe it’s time we take our group and move into politics as an alternative to T.R. policies. We’ll be a party of business but also championing individual freedoms for the people. We need to get the government out of our business and out of our lives.

[Sephirex]

Originally Posted by Bags

Just a heads up, the lore has almost no impact past how the guns work in the game.

Some people like to roleplay.

[Harasus]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

You are lying by omission. Something the TR are marvelous at. You're neglecting to mention the fact that the TR are the ones who blew up the ship that vote was supposed to be held on, killing their own president and numerous innocent civilians.

Quote from lore, said by TR leadership....

The NC actually tried to SAVE connery...

Extortion, terrorism, corruption: that's not democracy; That's iron-fisted totalitarianism and it's disgusting.

I am not supposed to know any of that. :P

There is no proof that Connery was killed by traitors in the TR leadership, the thought is disgusting. If it is true, then they must have handled for the best of the expedition. Connery was very slow at ensuring the expedition was safe through curfews and martial law, we could have had a full-scale rebellion on our hands before we even reached Auraxis.

Sure, the Corporations probably knew that Connery was going to get killed, but did they do anything? It would seem not. They too were happy at sitting back while all of this happened under their noses. Later on they would use all of this to seize control of the Republic.

Harsh times require harsh measures, and the leadership did their best, even though some of their methods might be questionable.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Harasus

I am not supposed to know any of that. :P

There is no proof that Connery was killed by traitors in the TR leadership, the thought is disgusting. If it is true, then they must have handled for the best of the expedition. Connery was very slow at ensuring the expedition was safe through curfews and martial law, we could have had a full-scale rebellion on our hands before we even reached Auraxis.

Sure, the Corporations probably knew that Connery was going to get killed, but did they do anything? It would seem not. They too were happy at sitting back while all of this happened under their noses. Later on they would use all of this to seize control of the Republic.

Harsh times require harsh measures, and the leadership did their best, even though some of their methods might be questionable.

I see the Vanu aren't the only ones with empire specific koolaid. I always wondered why TR had red stains around their mouths.

[Harasus]

I would still prefer what the TR currently is to some corporation-controlled, unregulated, anarchistic mess. One day we will be a true Republic again.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Harasus

I would still prefer what the TR currently is to some corporation-controlled, unregulated, anarchistic mess. One day we will be a true Republic again.

So be it. I'll need people to shoot in game.

In the words of Tacitus: "They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace."

[Palazious]

Originally Posted by Sephirex

Some people like to roleplay.

Roleplayers would definately pick the hot Vanu chicks.