1 SC = 1 cert ?

[Ruffdog]

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

Not having ways to test out what you are buying with real money is very bad. If you get one of these weapons and it flat out sux, (and many do currently and still will after launch) then you will not be wanting to spend money again blindly being very burn shy. Not only that, but it could just turn you off to the game entirely. Honestly this problem will put a decent dent in their profits. Its just another thing that should be in for launch but the massively rushed release date just wont allow that.

Just like PS1, this game is very badly managed and its what will hurt it the most rather than even the many many many bad design issues.

We need gun rentals maybe A tenth of the normal cost for 1 day of play?
But yes a VR firing range cant come quick enough!

[Mox]

1 to 1 would mean about 5 dollars for the shotgun. Sounds acceptable.

[Rat]

I will likely spend cash on some wep unlocks and possibly the membership, but I do hope that Cert points can not be purchased outright, like what was said earlier many people need a carrot to continue.

[Hamma]

I don't think there are any plans to purchase cert points outright. You will be able to buy boosters to XP that's likely the limit to what you will see.

[EVILPIG]

Originally Posted by Hamma

I don't think there are any plans to purchase cert points outright. You will be able to buy boosters to XP that's likely the limit to what you will see.

Plans? Perhaps not, but it has been a consideration since at least last Spring. I don't know if they would flat sell "certs", like bundles of 100 per say, but the ability to buy cert trees has been considered. It is effectively the same thing.

Also, I too do not see this as Pay2Win. Pay2Win to me is selling broken weapons or items for cash only. PS2 plans to offer the ability to acquire anything through certs or cash.

[Dragonskin]

Originally Posted by EVILPIG

Also, I too do not see this as Pay2Win. Pay2Win to me is selling broken weapons or items for cash only. PS2 plans to offer the ability to acquire anything through certs or cash.

This is what Pay 2 Win means. Selling items or abilities that grant a significant advantage over anything offered in the free portion of the game. Planetside 2 doesn't currently offer anything that is close to P2W. As long as they don't offer the BFG gun that can only be bought with station cash then we have nothing to worry about.

[EVILPIG]

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

This is what Pay 2 Win means. Selling items or abilities that grant a significant advantage over anything offered in the free portion of the game. Planetside 2 doesn't currently offer anything that is close to P2W. As long as they don't offer the BFG gun that can only be bought with station cash then we have nothing to worry about.

Exactly.

[Ghoest9]

I would be completely cool with SOE selling scopes and rail mounted items.

[Helwyr]

Play2Win IMO is anywhere a player can pay money to get an advantage over other players who do not pay, getting things faster is still an advantage. Some others here like Evilpig clearly have a different definition of Pay2Win, for them it's not Pay2Win if you can get the same thing in game, even if it takes you years of playing to do so.

Anyway from my perspective PS2 already has Pay2Win with the ability to boost exp gain and purchase weapons with SC rather than certs. That doesn't mean I won't play PS2 because of this, but nor does it mean I would support purchasing other advantages like cert trees. It's matter of degree of Pay2Win that I can stomach. Faster exp gain for subscribers and the ability to purchase weapons I can accept, but some player laying down loads of cash to max out cert trees it takes everyone else months if not years to get I will not accept.

[xuur]

this too is my thinking. Im sure the SC will still somehow translate to weapons and upgrade purchases but VERY unlikely to be direct certification. Im just awaiting some word on what and how SC 'value' will be interpreted and implemented.

I thought I understood it when it was AUX. now, Im not sure theres anything with enough meat to it to 'understand' yet.

[xuur]

as long as their was the ability to do the same without paying real money through in game mechanics.

[EVILPIG]

I know some have a problem with any form of early unlocks, but I look at the reality of it. In the very beginning, those who buy stuff will have an edge. Over time, that edge becomes less and less as others earn those same unlocks. The game absolutely needs money and letting people unlock certs early is nothing compared to offering cash only carrots, like most any F2P game has to. I do not believe cosmetics alone can sustain a game. Especially a game where silly cosmetics simply do not fit in.

[SKYeXile]

So im trying to put together my shopping list for the first day.

Pulsar LSW
Nemesis VSH9
Hailstorm turbo laser
Proton pods
Saron
Proton II
Nova

not sure if i need more or what.

oh yea maybe an upgraded carbine for the engi.

[Snipefrag]

I have to say my perspective is closer to Evilpigs than any other view. Paying to speed up game processes is not pay to win in my books, being able to buy a BFG that one shots people from 100 yards is. If you think PS2 can survive without 'pay to speed things up' then you're dreaming :|.


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[Athanasios]

It's simple.

1) I have 1 hour now and then to play PS2.
2) I don't want a sticker on my window, i want another playstyle.
3) I will pay to get that playstyle.


Hmm... who was using that "playstyle" word? Was it Higby? Was it Smedley? Was it Isaac? Was it maybe EVERYBODY in SOE?

Yes, it was all of them. IF they make that gun i want imba, it's THEM making the game P2W, not me. It's their job to assure (as they said in thousands times already) that each "unlock will promote another playstyle, you will still be able to kill -if you have skills- whether you play with the default equipment or that super duper level 99 weapon".


In the end of the day; Some people have tons of free time and they can progress as they want without paying a dime. Why me, who i don't have this luxury, not pay to catch up? How can the first deny this right to the second?

Both are customers for SOE. The first because he keeps the "base load" of the game running. The second because he pays and contribute to their actual wallets directly. If i was SOE, i would want both of them to play my game.