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Old 2003-05-08, 08:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #31
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Correction (as it has been stated many times in the thread) D2 does not run a MMORPG free. It runs a chat service & a server finder. All the servers are provided by players.
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Old 2003-05-09, 02:58 AM   [Ignore Me] #32
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And the chat/server finder still sucks.
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Old 2003-05-09, 03:27 AM   [Ignore Me] #33
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Bah, Spider already pwned him, so I will just say GGs Spider and be done with it.

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Old 2003-05-09, 09:07 AM   [Ignore Me] #34
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hahaha funny seeing all these people whine about a possible 12.95

if you don't want to pay to play go play a game like CS......sheeesh but think about it....you will part of a great game...so no matter what it costs I'm in.
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Old 2003-05-09, 10:32 AM   [Ignore Me] #35
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So is there a flat rate or is the money priced hourly
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Old 2003-05-09, 11:42 AM   [Ignore Me] #36
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It's a flate rate. $12.95/month or a game card for those without CCs.
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Old 2003-05-09, 04:58 PM   [Ignore Me] #37
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CCs?
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Old 2003-05-09, 05:00 PM   [Ignore Me] #38
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Old 2003-05-09, 05:31 PM   [Ignore Me] #39
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Ok so here's my reaction; i don't care what you'll think about it:
(Vs. Matuse)
First 2 quotes don't make any sense,
they could engage a contract doesn't mean anyone can simply go and
run a server if they 'd liked to.
Then you say there would be people cheating and stuff if the servers
aren't monitored... well it WILL KEEP happening, can you tell me dude,
would they ban 12,95/month for more inventory space? Then again,
would they monitor the servers? No they won't...not with 40k peepz
playing on one server, oh no, monitoring won't work. Anti-cheat won't do
it either, it never does (why they call it hacking anywayz?)
then
"ISP means internet service provider? WELL GOD-FUCKING-HELL. IT SURE IS GOOD THAT YOU ARE HERE TO TELL US THESE THINGS"
Well you maybe didn't know but...eh...not everyone even knows what btw means,
or rofl, lmao, and all of that shit. Nor everyone is english; just trying to be
funny by saying i'm dumb...great for you
Then i'm asking wich server diablo and such uses, well, i tough it was like in interstate,
you tell server what gametype and players, pass and such then it runs on the company's server,
not too strange, since there's no hosting options in diablo and no 'server down' message
once the one who started server leaves, next player seems to take it over.
(It's true offcourse, otherwise blizzard would run all their games on one server)
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(me) you would have to pay like 3 games (full price, $50) each year, just to run one game wich doesn't add any VERY special feature to the FPS-genre, exception for its size...
(other dude) What would you rather do, spend $155 per year on Planetside,
or $500 a year buying 10 other games.

I must say i'd rather buy like half-life (vehicles, much new features and grafix),
new CPU and some memory,
price? 50+150+50, not mentioning i would also have to upgrade pc when buying PS... you know half-life mods? All are free, just mean,
no-one stops playing half-life unless they are impatient.
Different with PS? No new genre, only new features to the game added,
and you can't make your own mod. Offcourse it's not what i really ask,
but half-life is at least as good as planetside, even if you just look
at the competition of those mods with less players;
I think Matuse doesn't say anything really,
just saying the dev-team does a great job (and that's true)
and i'm a dumbass. I don't give a fuck what he thinks about me,
nor i care about what i say (lol), but i do know telling
what an ISP is to peepz ISN'T BECAUSE YOU THINK NO-ONE KNOWS!
Come on, just look at the reaction;
Main thing is; in half-life you chose wether to pay,
to pay a part or not to pay for servers.
Clanpeepz need it, communities need it and stand-alone players
join the servers. Ah crap man what i'm a doing ffs...


Nywayz, wrote my reply so deleting wuld be strange :-/
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Old 2003-05-09, 05:32 PM   [Ignore Me] #40
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Now just look at Gladiator,
is it a crime some don't know what CCs means,
what anything means?

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Old 2003-05-09, 05:35 PM   [Ignore Me] #41
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There needs to be a rule that your post must contain at least as much text as your sig...
But then people would just spam wierd crap at the end of their messages.
I mean, goldfish lamp wallpaper skeleton in my Bavarian Star or what? Flowers mirror computer Smurfs every time Moses flies playing cards in or around Paris.
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Old 2003-05-09, 05:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #42
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Originally posted by simba
[Bhehe, 3 hours a day!!!!!!!!! 5 times a week- JUST 4 TRAINING!

sorry, sorry sorry but i ocudletn help it, it was such a nice joke .
Kinda like Jay leno.
I didnt knew half the guys who played CS was pros
hehe [/B]
Well duh you don't seem to get it right?
3 * 5 = 15 wuhuw
5 hours he sayed he wuld make $5
Rest $2/hour
That's $25 dollar/week
[JUST 4 TRAINING
Thinking bout those guys who don't spend all their
money on ONE FREAKIN game, who have a life and such,
who actually know people outside a game;
but that wouldn't be like you i guess...
Like just go play cs from 8 in the mornin to 12 midnight...
And i can assure you playing a game whole day is the most creative thing i ever heard, MUST BE REAL GOOD!
If there only would be some contests in PS, where you can actually have like 2 weeks to win; most points is objective, total domination is the end.
I don't really think most of csplayers play more then 3 hours/day... just thinkin bout all the dudes i see who come home from school and go play cs, most likely they only play 3 hours when it's school, pretty normal i think!
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Old 2003-05-09, 07:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #43
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My only complaint is that there isn't a reduced payment scheme for 1 character per server - I'm not bloody likely going to want/need 4 per server or 16 in total.
No reason to reduce the cost for this. Multiple characters doesn't really cost SOE anything, characters are just data (and in a game like this, not very much of it)...hard drives are large and cheap.

they could engage a contract doesn't mean anyone can simply go and
run a server if they 'd liked to.
All it would take is one less-than scrupulous anonymous employee at one of these off-site locations to leak the source code, and suddenly 10,000 people all set up their own private PS servers, and nobody would continue to pay under those circumstances. Keep everything under your own, tight, control. It just works better.

Then you say there would be people cheating and stuff if the servers
aren't monitored... well it WILL KEEP happening,
No, it won't. This is part of what we pay the Dev's to handle, and the mechanism behind the game makes it rather difficult. It may sporadically happen at the beginning...everquest had people cheating at the start (there was a program that let you run 10x faster than normally possible), but the Devs came down on those people with a ton of bricks, then fixed the problem.

can you tell me dude,
would they ban 12,95/month for more inventory space?
I can't speak to what their policy on cheaters will be, but if someone managed to cobble up a mechanism for expanded inventory space, I would imagine that anyone using it would face an account suspension at the very least. Banning would be more likely. Losing the $12.95 of one cheater is better than losing 20 legit accounts who couldn't tolerate being put at an unfair disadvantage for playing by the rules. The first people who get caught cheating WILL get banned, I can promise you that. Hell, they'll probably put notice of the fact on the official website, and on an in-game message so that everyone knows it. Ounce of prevention and all that.

Then again, would they monitor the servers? No they won't...
Yes, they will. It isn't even very hard. The most common methods of cheating (inventory expansion, aimbots) are rather easy to detect. You don't even need people doing the monitoring. Just set up the game itself to check for these kinds of things, and flag suspicious activity for a human to look over. Also, they'll log everything.

not with 40k peepz playing on one server, oh no, monitoring won't work. Anti-cheat won't do it either, it never does
40K people on a server? Not a chance. The stated population for a server is about 4k people at the same time.

Everquest has four HUNDRED THOUSAND player accounts, with the potential of 8 characters per server, and something like 45 servers...and nearly everything you do is logged. I don't see Planetside being any different.

The big differences between anti-cheat on (for example) Counterstrike and Planetside:

1)CS cheat designers have access to the server source code which arbitrates all actions in the game, so they have complete knowledge of the best ways to fool it. Also, in a game like that, the files to manipulate are held client-side, not server-side. This is not the case in Planetside. The cone of fire annihilates aimbots all by itself, not even factoring in the fact that the client wouldn't be allowed to control it by the Dev Team.

2) Consequences. Get got cheating on CS, and just go to another server. Get banned from Planetside and...oops, time to use the CDs as beverage coasters.

I must say i'd rather buy like half-life (vehicles, much new features and grafix), new CPU and some memory, price? 50+150+50,
Do you mean Half Life 2? I don't see the relevance. It's a different game. Like saying I wouldn't buy a racing game because I already own tetris.

not mentioning i would also have to upgrade pc when buying PS...
If I decide to play Planetside, it will mean buying a completely new PC. So what? Are the developers responsible for how you spend your money?

you know half-life mods? All are free, just mean, no-one stops playing half-life unless they are impatient.
Or don't like them, or get bored with them, or hate all the cheating, or want a different experience, or want to be in a really really large battle....that's 5 reasons to not get half-life mods, I'm sure there are others.


Different with PS? No new genre, only new features to the game added, and you can't make your own mod. Offcourse it's not what i really ask, but half-life is at least as good as planetside, even if you just look
at the competition of those mods with less players
If your big concern is modding, then Planetside isn't the game for you. There's nothing wrong with that. Don't buy it. But also don't bitch about it. There are lots of games that many people felt were good but which I would compare unfavorably to a bladder infection...I don't go to their forums and tell them how dumb they are just because our tastes are different.

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Old 2003-05-09, 08:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #44
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I just heard about planetside about a week ago. I think that a flat rate would be good. I mean sometimes when I get home from school I'm on my computer for 3+ hours a day playin games on the internet or surfing the web. One thing that is kinda dumb is that there goin to charge u 12.95 a month. That's like buying a new game of planetside every season. I wouldn't mind something like 5-8$ a month. I can't pay 13$ a month when I have to wait another year and 1/2 to get a job that pays higher than my allowance of 10.00 a month! When I get a job it won't be a problem in 1 1/2 years if the gas prices aren't at 2+ dollars a gallon. If I'm gonna start an outfit like I plan to, by that time, most of the players will be affiliated with other outfits.
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Old 2003-05-09, 08:55 PM   [Ignore Me] #45
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One thing I left out, I was wonderin where they're gonna be selling the game cards or whatever.
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