Surge-o-porting

[Jagd]

/ignore BadAsh

Originally Posted by Liquidtide

Or surging with your weapon out negates the surge effects by 75%, so you still get some speed increase, but basically a Rexo could run like an Agile and an Agile like Standard with weapons out and Surge on, just a thought.

That's pretty much how it works now. Have you ever ran around with your gun drawn? You go slower than with it holstered. Same thing with surge, with your gun out of its holster you do not go full speed.

EDIT: To Veteran's points, try using surge while carrying an LLU. Just like driving in a vehicle, the maximum speed is noticably gimped. Most of your other points are pure speculation, some based on reasonable assumptions, but all lacking that certain je-ne-sais-quoi? Fact.

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by Jagd

/ignore BadAsh

Perfect! Now I can post and have discussions without the flame du Jour.

BadAsh

[TheN00b]

Guys, I respect you both, as players and as posters. But if I wanted to read material like the current posts on this thread, I would read the OF rather than PSU. This flaming is immature and an insult to both of you. Please desist.

[Jagd]

Originally Posted by BadAsh

Perfect! Now I can post and have discussions without the flame du Jour.

BadAsh

Check your PMs, monkey boy.

[TeraHertz]

Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

Ok, my turn to give my thoughts about this 3-frames-of-death problem. Here it goes...


1. Ive tried it on all servers/empires/armors, nothing
2. Been killed by it serveral times
3. Been infil close running beside one of these teleporting people and DID NOT hear that heartbeat sound you hear when surge is turned on. I have done this with many surge-agile teleporters
4. Seems to apply only the NC. Mainly the ones with JackHammers
5. BadAsh and Jadg like to piss eachother off
6. Lol


Well, thats all the data ive collected so far

wait, one more thing...

1. The animation/FPS patch didnt fix this problem

you need to be a 56ker who can receive data faster than their client sends.
They recieve all the data regarding the enemie's position etc, but their client is unable to deliver their own data to the server fast enough. The bottleneck only lasts a fraction of a second. Earlier I mentioned pariah, a blatent surge-o-porter. Guys in my outfit play/ed with him in UT and know for a fact he's a long time 56k user.

[Madcat170]

Hmmm, i went and decided to see if i can do this with other Heavy Assualt weapons, the probleme seems to be that the Jackhammers secondry mode has a very fast, very accurate TTK.

The Beef seems to be souly with Surging Jackhammer using nutcases. A simple Fix, just for a test would be to Remove the Jackhammers Secondry mode (no other HA has a secondry mode any way), i see alot of NC saying " OMG TEH SECONDRY MODE ON TEH JACKHAMM0R IS TEH SUXXZ0R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111oneoneoneelevenone"

After thats removed and the Three frames of Death is still a major probleme then maybe something a bit more drastic.

Now come on Dev's i know you read these boards, i can smell you (not that you stink its just dev's have a funny smell)

To any 1 that complains about me sucking up to the devs, youll see whos laughing when i AMS start expoding on your head.....

[Vick]

I surge.

I do not have rexo certed, nor heavy assault. I have had HA before, but only for a short time. My main weapon is the sweeper shotgun, sometimes a rocklet or gauss. I use agile armor almost exclusivly, with a decimator and a few medkits in my pack.

I fight alot of surgers, and never seem to have more trouble with them then any other players. I killed a JH wielding TR with agile and surge the other day, and I fight MCGers and lasher surgers every day. The thing that kills me the most is rexo/MCG, it seems that 70% of TR on Konried use that setup, and it is very deadly.

My system is nothing special, AMD 1700, Radeon 9700 Pro, cable connection.

I have played FPSs for several years, off and on. Was ranked highly in DoD, I sucked for a while at CS, and most recently got pretty good at RTCW, and Enemy Territory.

So, pretend I am your everyday "surge monkey", what is it that makes me good?

Is it my system? I doubt it...

Maybe my weapon is better? No, I use MA and SA.

So, is it the surge? I guess it could be...

But maybe it is just that these surgers, although surge might be helping, are better players then you. Maybe you should stop making excuses.

[BadAsh]

Again,

It's NOT a problem with surge. It's NOT a problem with the JackHammer. It's NOT a problem with players who are skilled.

It IS a problem with a small handfull of players who have the ability to "warp" around your screen and move at hyper speeds (Surge? Speedhack? Code problem? Exlpoit perhaps? Or any combination of the above? Who knows... I don't. I just want it fixed.)

Many many players experience this and the DEVs know it's a problem as well...

BadAsh

[Jagd]

Then stop calling it surge, and start a thread about busting speedhackers. Common sense, that.

[Acaila]

There is a trick to being a surge warper, which I will not post cause there is too many of them out there already . It is very simple, but maybe not that obvious. How is it, do you think, that a player with surge who moves so fast all around you can still accurately hit you?

[Veteran]

Jagd, as entertaining as you are, I must correct you on the point of running with an LLU. With Standard Armor and Surge, you are still quick as a wink. Same goes for modules.

Not to brag, but I stole three modules within an hour today by smiting the generous donator (enemy soldier) with my Reaver, then grabbing the module and Surging home with it.

I actually felt guilt.

edit: Also, it's not necessarily the speed increase so much as the fact that in Standard, you can Surge for one minute and forty seconds. That's enough time to run from a geowarp to a friendly SOI, or from base to base, even carrying an LLU. I've done it so many times now that I'm sure about what I speak.

[Hamma]

They are going to fix this warping issue.

[flypengy]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStorm

surge just needs to be fixed. Like so many people before me have said. Make it so you cannot hold your weapon while surging. MAXs can't shoot while in run mode, why should an agile suit be able to?

I've heard people suggest that far too many times and implementing that will seriously screw over and sweeper users and jackhammer users. Both of these weapons require you to get in close range of them to be remotely effective as other weapons. Without surge sweeper and JH are completely gimp.

[flypengy]

Also, most people have not truly come across a speed hacker. There is warping and speedhacking.

Warping is caused by clientside prediction. For instance when someone runs to the top of the stairs and it looks like they hit the cieling. That is your computer making predictions. Same thing with the flying across the screen. The computer is predicting where the person is going which is why those with shoddier connections warp more.

[TeraHertz]

Originally Posted by Hamma

They are going to fix this warping issue.

Muhahahah. Pariah. Your days are numbered.