Pageant contestant disqualified over strange circumstances.

[Quovatis]

Is there any evidence this contestant has abnormal genes or a disorder? If so, I missed that fact. Not that it really matters. The organizers can disqualify anyone they want, as they are a private organization.

[Vash02]

Taking the knife to the groin = no.
Taking the knife to the boobs, belly, bottom and face = fine.

Hypocrisy.



Also Q, they are a business, they couldnt discriminate even if they were in the US.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[TheSHiFT]

Just to nit pick: gender is social, sex is biological.

[ItsTheSheppy]

Originally Posted by TheSHiFT

Just to nit pick: gender is social, sex is biological.

It's about time somebody got it right.

+1 for you, Shift.

[TheSHiFT]

And what Figment was referring to:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/sec_5/about.php

[Figment]

...Traak. Just no. Juuust. No.

[ArcIyte]

I'd probably hit it

[AstroFool]

I'm an oldschool Planetside player and I just found these forums. I am very excited about Planetside 2. I saw some interesting discussions with some intelligent posting and decided to sign up. I am also bi-sexual AND European (judging by the latest republican party elections, I'm not sure anymore which is worse), so I thought I'd chip in.

Sexuality is 100% genetic (bold to start off with, right?). Engaging in homosexual acts is a choice, but it's a choice that's completely natural if you're born gay. The only reason why so many feel held back about it is because they know they'll be negatively judged by some. All you need to think of is the last time you were in love with a girl (or guy, if you're a girl). To homosexuals it feels the same, except with the same sex. To deny people the right to act on these emotions would be intensely cruel.

Conservatives often claim they're fine with it, just so long as "they do it behind closed doors". What they mean is that they're actually not fine with it, but that it's easier to ignore when they don't see it. I find this hypocritical because most of the time they're completely fine with heterosexuals showing affection in public as well. You can't claim you're fine with people being gay and then condemn every act that actually defines them as such. It's like saying you don't like salads, but then don't want anyone else to eat them either (even though salads are entirely harmless). When you confront them with it, they often refer to gay pride parades, as if that somehow sums up all that homosexuals are and do. I keep having to explain that gays are naturally more extravagant due to the slight differences in brain structure and hormone levels, and that they're just acting out because they've felt discriminated for so long, but it doesn't seem to matter. Some people just don't want to understand.

There are also still plenty of fears going around, such as that it's somehow infectious. If we tolerate gays, it'll become a trend and we'll soon have men kissing each other and annoying old people with it all over the place. This is of course extreme nonsense. There's also still the fear that somehow HIV is a "gay thing", just because it was first discovered in a homosexual man in the early 80's. Of course it's already been shown over and over that this is not the case, but the fear still remains. Another fear is that of rampant liberalism in general. Tolerance of homosexuality is often guilty by association it seems. It's symptomatic of a divided culture. It's part of the ideology of that 'other group', which is the group we're supposed to hate, so therefor it must be wrong.

These fears are irrational, so they cannot be fought with rational arguments. You cannot 'enlighten' a devout conservative about these issues. The only way to make it happen seems by force, but always with a smile. In the end they will grow used to it.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Originally Posted by AstroFool

I'm an oldschool Planetside player and I just found these forums. I am very excited about Planetside 2. I saw some interesting discussions with some intelligent posting and decided to sign up. I am also bi-sexual AND European (judging by the latest republican party elections, I'm not sure anymore which is worse), so I thought I'd chip in.

Sexuality is 100% genetic (bold to start off with, right?). Engaging in homosexual acts is a choice, but it's a choice that's completely natural if you're born gay. The only reason why so many feel held back about it is because they know they'll be negatively judged by some. All you need to think of is the last time you were in love with a girl (or guy, if you're a girl). To homosexuals it feels the same, except with the same sex. To deny people the right to act on these emotions would be intensely cruel.

Conservatives often claim they're fine with it, just so long as "they do it behind closed doors". What they mean is that they're actually not fine with it, but that it's easier to ignore when they don't see it. I find this hypocritical because most of the time they're completely fine with heterosexuals showing affection in public as well. You can't claim you're fine with people being gay and then condemn every act that actually defines them as such. It's like saying you don't like salads, but then don't want anyone else to eat them either (even though salads are entirely harmless). When you confront them with it, they often refer to gay pride parades, as if that somehow sums up all that homosexuals are and do. I keep having to explain that gays are naturally more extravagant due to the slight differences in brain structure and hormone levels, and that they're just acting out because they've felt discriminated for so long, but it doesn't seem to matter. Some people just don't want to understand.

There are also still plenty of fears going around, such as that it's somehow infectious. If we tolerate gays, it'll become a trend and we'll soon have men kissing each other and annoying old people with it all over the place. This is of course extreme nonsense. There's also still the fear that somehow HIV is a "gay thing", just because it was first discovered in a homosexual man in the early 80's. Of course it's already been shown over and over that this is not the case, but the fear still remains. Another fear is that of rampant liberalism in general. Tolerance of homosexuality is often guilty by association it seems. It's symptomatic of a divided culture. It's part of the ideology of that 'other group', which is the group we're supposed to hate, so therefor it must be wrong.

These fears are irrational, so they cannot be fought with rational arguments. You cannot 'enlighten' a devout conservative about these issues. The only way to make it happen seems by force, but always with a smile. In the end they will grow used to it.

Hey Astro!

First off, welcome ;0)

Secondly, I'm a voting conservative in America...and I'm all for gay marriage.

Shocked?

It's simple really. I sat down and thought about it, because I'm not a gay man. What if the roles were reversed? What if being straight were somehow seen as "immoral" or "bad"....wouldn't I feel exactly the way gay people feel right now?

So I think applying a little empathy to this situation is ultimately what will make it stop being such an issue.

But I want you to digest the fact that not all so called "religious right wingers" are against gay rights.

Christ said in the bible to love all men and treat them all as you would your brother. Not all Christians follow this, sadly...and they are mistaken. Also, in the bible...it doesn't say anywhere IMPLICITLY that being gay is wrong.

In my world....my God is a loving God....and all men were created in his image (Not the body..the soul) so does that exlude gays? Nah, not in my world. God loves us all, gay, straight, he even loves Figment...for some unknown reason. hehehe

Also, I think your statement of:

"The only way to make it happen seems by force, but always with a smile."

That's alarming to me in many ways. Before I elaborate as to why, I would ask you to elaborate as to the meaning of this statement. Expand your thought for me so I can see if you're saying what I think you're saying.

Thanks bud!

[AstroFool]

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

That's alarming to me in many ways. Before I elaborate as to why, I would ask you to elaborate as to the meaning of this statement. Expand your thought for me so I can see if you're saying what I think you're saying.

Thanks bud!

I guess I should have elaborated on that. I don't mean "force" as in violent force. What I mean is being confrontational without violence, because apparently rational argumentation doesn't work. We figured out by now that 'free will' is at best a limited dimension, and we figured out that sexual urges are almost, if not entirely genetically determined, and so as long as nobody suffers as a result, it should be easy to conclude that there's nothing immoral about it. Hence if you are able to accept reason as at least a guideline to moral principles, I think you cannot be able to 'hate' people for their sexuality. Yet some do, so there must be another way to make it so that they at least don't discriminate politically.

I have to admit that I don't have any concrete examples of how to go about this, but think of the following situation: If 99% of the population of a country was opposed to for example gay marriage, and politicians decided that it was going to be allowed anyway, it wouldn't be democratic at all, yet it would, at least by my own definitions, be the right way to go. I think you could call that an act of force.

[TheBladeRoden]

Originally Posted by Traak

Jesus instructs us to owe no man anything but to love him.

But.. loving men is gay!

But back on topic, I think all cosmetic surgery should be banned from beauty pageants anyway. Tired of everyone parading out with the same damn implants.

[Vash02]

Well, making it a crime worthy of the death penalty pretty much infers that its wrong.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Originally Posted by Vash02

Well, making it a crime worthy of the death penalty pretty much infers that its wrong.

What?

Where is it worthy of the death penalty?

[Vash02]

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

What?

Where is it worthy of the death penalty?

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[1](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[2](Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

Yeah, theres plenty of fucked up shit in the bible.

oh and before you say "thats old testament", here's Jesus saying the old laws still go.

Matthew
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.