Hussein info....

[Gortha]

Guys we know, that Hussein isn�t better than any other Dictator.

So what is the sense of these Infos?

It would be funny if really think the US wants to fall Saddam because of HumanRights...

The US/CIA put enough Dictators to power, even Saddam.
They know and not give a damn about what these Dictators do or have done.
This is a fact.
Try to disprove it... i can flood u with facts.

Sounds arrogant, but it's a great pity that it is the truth.

And u think the Human-Rights are just one of the reason for this US-American-War? Or why do u post these true cruelness about Saddam... the most of these cruels everybody knows from TV, Papers, etc. .

But it it is your opinion that Oil is not the reason, money the same.
Bush ruins the US... Clinton made a lot of money.
Bush is flushing it down the Toilet.

Ohh man i am babbling to get into scrape.

Okay three question i really wanted to get answered:

Why do u think is nearly the whole World against this War?
What about the millions of people who protestet?
Do u think this millions of people are totally stupid?

Have to play a Clan-War

Gortha

[MrVicchio]

Gortha...Reagan made the Economic Boom of the 90's, which was just an extension of the 80's.... don't fool yourself either.

It takes 5-8 years for a presidents "actions" to really effect the economy. Notice the economy was tanking BEFORE CLINTON LEFT OFFICE. Now, go take an economics course then come back to that line of bs

[MrVicchio]

PS Gortha...

as for your comment about "millions" of people protesting and not being stupid and all that...

Go look up the number of people prostesting against going to war with Hitler.. that cheered hitler... BEFORE WWII started.

Just cause a Million people think somethings right don't mean SHIT.

[Navaron]

"And little girls are raped by older men and family members in Brazil.

What's your point?

You steal in Egypt and they'll cut your hand off. It's the middle east. They aren't what most would consider civilized. Saddam is a bit extreme but no less merciless than the rest of those wackos"

Different ball game, genocide has never been tolerated, and these people don't do this to hundreds of thousands of people all over their own country.

Gortha, you do not understand economics - or at least US economics. Clinton is the reason we are in a hole, and the reason for the boom of the 90's was Reagan.

"Why do u think is nearly the whole World against this War?"

They are not, the majority of the world is WITH US. Over a dozen Arab countries are with us. Every single neighbor of Iraq has expressed support, and has not objected.


"What about the millions of people who protestet?"
In the US they are less than .04% of the population, there was a rally 10 miles from me with 5,000 people (I live in BFE, so it was alot of people), and the windchill was -2. Didn't hear about those did ya?

"Do u think this millions of people are totally stupid?"

Everyone has their own agenda.

[Navaron]

Here's a little fact I read today,

The post WW2 rebuilding of Japan cost the US 130% of our GDP.

Desert storm Aid for the region (which includes and surpasses Iraq) was less than 1% of the GDP.

As for a war for oil, that's a joke, we only get 30% of our oil from that region (none of which is from Iraq). Let's say it is just for oil, wouldn't it be alot smarter and alot better politically to drill in the hellhole that is ANWAR? We've got 100% of our oil needs for the next 35 years just sitting there.

I've heard alot of people pissed about how much it will cost to rebuild Iraq, and about involving the international community.

Why would the US pay to rebuild Iraq? They are an educated people. They make 20 billion dollars a year now just from their oil sales *this is during the embargo*. Post war economists say the they will make 60-80 billion dollars from oil alone. I'm thinking they can rebuild it themselves. The last thing the Iraqi people need is international control of their country - it didn't work in the 50's.

[KoldFusion]

http://msnbc.com/news/883129.asp?0ql=csp

check it out... case closed.... bye bye Iraq.
If they blow this off then it really shows the the UN is useless.

[Navaron]

BTW

Japan offered support, and to help pay for the US costs of the war.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Warborn

I've yet to hear any respectable anti-war points. All those people keep saying is "war solved nothing" and "there are better solutions" or "the inspectors haven't found any biological weapons so Iraq clearly doesn't have any", all of which are terribly ignorant and ill-conceived points. So, that aside, if you've something to add which I haven't already mentioned, I'd be more than happy to hear it.

How about the fact that war will probably cause 100's of thousands of casulties.

Are you so quick to sign their death warrants?

[Mtx]

If everyone was as arrogent as the US...


*China*

Did you know the US has BC missles that are designed to lay waste to 10 mile area?

OMG... the US could use one of those things on us. We should go invade their country and kill them all.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Lex,

Uhm, read my analogy in the above post.....

"Here is the analogy for you:

Your a debt colloction agency, you take everything a man has, but his house, he PROMISES to pay everything back if you DONT take his house...

after 12 years, and you KNOW he has money, he has failed to pay what he owes... what would you, as the debt collection agency do?

A: Keep sending people over trying to FIND his money, even tho he keeps hiding his corevettes and high spped fishing boats and large sums of cash...

B: Take his house.

Your debt collection agency or the people he's been paying to buy his stuff (France, Germany and russia)"

Now, using that, whose gonna get the money(oil deals)

That make it clear enough?

Not clear at all. I am not exactly sure what the analogy is analogous to.

When I read your analogy, I read it as the UN was the debt collector and it was weapons that it was going to collect.

Somehow you switch it around to who desever the oild deals. I am having trouble making it from point A to point B here.

First off the analogy is very dissimilar to the situation. The debt collector (the UN) does not seem interested in kicking the man out of his house.

Secondly, it is not Saddam's house, it is the house of the Iraqi people.

I don't see what you analogy has to do with who is going to get the oil deals? Feel free to clarify this for me. It is very possible that I am missing something here.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Gortha...Reagan made the Economic Boom of the 90's, which was just an extension of the 80's.... don't fool yourself either.

It takes 5-8 years for a presidents "actions" to really effect the economy. Notice the economy was tanking BEFORE CLINTON LEFT OFFICE. Now, go take an economics course then come back to that line of bs

That is your opinion. There are creditable economic analysits who would disagree.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
[BGortha, you do not understand economics - or at least US economics. Clinton is the reason we are in a hole, and the reason for the boom of the 90's was Reagan.
[/B]

Again your opinion, not fact.

[Navaron]

Just a little fact. The UN has only approved 3 military actions ever, Korea, Desert Storm and (Wow, I can't believe I don't remember the last one - blaming it on the flu). Anyway, in everyone of those cases, the French, Germans, and Russians opposed military action AND US led action. So that means that they are consitantly anti US or pro "stay at home and let the other poor bastards die cause nothing bad ever happens to us". So is anyone suprised that they don't support war now?

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
[BThey are not, the majority of the world is WITH US. Over a dozen Arab countries are with us. Every single neighbor of Iraq has expressed support, and has not objected. [/B]

Turkey (who fears Iraq) objected and Iran (Iraqs long standing enemy) objected. If we have so much support, why can't we get the 9 votes for a resolution?

[Navaron]

"Again your opinion, not fact."

Not true, it is fact. I've got the proof somewhere around here. The numbers you see that say otherwise are not in correct context, and are usually in political debates (much like this one), and are contrued to be misleading. I'll try and find the official numbers sometime in the next few days. Besides, we both know that you can twist anything to suit your side.