Scathing criticism at Gamespot - Page 4

Rabaan · 2012-08-31, 02:48 PM

it's gamespot..... what are you using them as a source of game intel? correct me if i'm wrong but aren't they the ones that fired the game reviewer because he gave kane and lynch a bad score? best not to trust a place like that for your gaming intel

Figment · 2012-08-31, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Somewhere in the last 10 years, Beta stopped meaning "Feature Complete, Final Testing".

Whatever. They're dumping content into the cooker weekly, and it tastes better with each patch.

Yet a lot of people (fanbois) think that beta means it is allowed to get away with everything, meaning those flaws far more often than not reach the release version over the past ten years, because critique has always been done away with as "it's just beta".

At the same time, major design decision changes do not really occur anymore and haven't really occured in PS2 as of yet. What has happened is that systems have been integrated, but what we've mostly seen is a game without systems to a game with at least some systems. We've yet to determine if it's the right systems (though for some systems it's already clear to me and others they're not - class and cert system as is included), yet we're moving closer and closer to release.

Now, if PS2 is going the way of World of Tanks (early flawed release, continuous work over time and OH NEW GAME IDEA SEND DEVS TO OTHER GAME BEFORE WE'RE FULLY DONE - like what happened to PS1...), then they have to really commit themselves to a substantial, long term permanent team. Given SOE's history, I'm not sure if we can expect that. So no, I at least am not going to give SOE the benefit of the doubt just because something is in beta.

I'm going to stick on their arse till every important issue is solved satisfactory. And that'll take many, many months and probably some brave decisions to revise current PS2 design philosophy fundamentally in some parts.

RoninOni · 2012-08-31, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Higby

I don't think I'd categorize that as 'scathing criticism' by any stretch. He mentioned that the game is epic and awesome, but needs some systems to help direct and organize on a large scale. I'd say that's pretty fair, we do need more systems to allow commanders to coordinate and organize at a high level, we're building them, and in fact he mentions that the mission system is coming soon.

^^All this.

Why aren't these "key features" in yet? Because the game is MASSIVE, and these "key features" are, programatically, add-ons to the "base game" which is the shooter component of the game. The server architecture, etc etc.

How could they POSSIBLY have built a communication and mission system for a game that you couldn't even run around in or use vehicles/etc yet??

They let us into the beta testing phase LONG before most companies do, where pretty much all components are done and just in need of polish.

I've already seen more patches of PS2 in 2 weeks of Beta than I have seen support patches from EA for any of their released retail games (with seemingly worse problems half the time)

Originally Posted by Figment

I'm going to stick on their arse till every important issue is solved satisfactory. And that'll take many, many months and probably some brave decisions to revise current PS2 design philosophy fundamentally in some parts.

Because I'm sure you are irrevocably the absolute and authoritative source on what would make Planetside 2 best.

Just keep in mind everything you think is best is just your own personal opinion, and actually NOT worth more than any other individual opinion.

I do agree with a number of things you've posted, so don't take this as slander, but you seem to have a rather strong opinion of yourself, which is all fine and well so long as you understand that you won't get everything and compromises will be made by everyone

Bittermen · 2012-08-31, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dartan

OK, that's pretty worrying right there, it's basically just like saying get a guild for Team Fortress 2 or any other game, which means 90% will not be able to do it and the game for most people will suck bad.

I feel like saying "get in a organized outfit" is pretty dishonest when everyone knows that most people will not know how to do this, just like in every other game.

Also how is that related to the features he proposed which are in other games?

Don't even play the game then.

BF3 sucked unless you were in an organized clan anyway. Without teamwork all these games are shit imho.

Exmortius · 2012-08-31, 03:59 PM

beta is still in very early stages there is a ton of stuff they still need to make active in the game. only 1 of 3 continents are live, virtually no grunt certs are active, several vehicle upgrades need to be re balanced and optimized. the client and server itself are being fine tuned as well daily. game imo is bare minimum 2 months away from go live/release. there just is that much content to test that isn't in yet.

sameer · 2012-08-31, 04:20 PM

Yea my experience has been bad overall. Its very BORING. Fights are so random because there are no capture mechanisms. Although the recent patch should help that. there are however many many other problems that Im worried about. BUt I expect them to make it better as beta goes on. atm I still thnk its too darn early to start beta. They are too pressured with the time scale.

Flacracker · 2012-08-31, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rabaan

it's gamespot..... what are you using them as a source of game intel? correct me if i'm wrong but aren't they the ones that fired the game reviewer because he gave kane and lynch a bad score? best not to trust a place like that for your gaming intel

Papscal · 2012-08-31, 04:42 PM

Scathing criticism is only viable after it goes gold. And even then, its at best an opinion. I suggest everyone take the Pepsi challenge before they judge.

Boone · 2012-08-31, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Flacracker

full servers , organization, common sense will fix that

TheSaltySeagull · 2012-08-31, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Higby

I don't think I'd categorize that as 'scathing criticism' by any stretch. He mentioned that the game is epic and awesome, but needs some systems to help direct and organize on a large scale. I'd say that's pretty fair, we do need more systems to allow commanders to coordinate and organize at a high level, we're building them, and in fact he mentions that the mission system is coming soon.

Indeed I dont see why some of you are getting upset over this review. I personally think it was fairly accurate about the current state of the game and that the reviewer was rather objective in his comments. He praised things he thought the game was doing good, pointed out flaws that he saw, and mention the game was still in beta and that systems to mitigate those flaws are in the works. What exactly about this review was bad?

Crator · 2012-08-31, 05:00 PM

I was also trying to figure out what was scathing about it. Sounded pretty accurate to me actually.

Papscal · 2012-08-31, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

Other then bitter-vets I have yet to read a scathing criticism of PS2. PS2 makes a great first impression on everyone who plays it.

Y U mad bro? Its ok not to be a vet ya know. Let it go.

Dartan · 2012-08-31, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Flacracker

Puke.

Jeff Gerstmann is the reason I deleted Giantbomb from my bookmark, he is constantly jaded and negative about everything and you couldn't escape him on that site.

XxAxMayxX · 2012-08-31, 05:53 PM

wtf gamespot im disapointed the game is in beta only a third of people are in. also there are outfits a sqauds, platoons and missions.

xuur · 2012-08-31, 05:58 PM

feh on their reviews. they liked Witcher too...which I couldnt stand.
I'll make up my own mind...if I ever finally get in.

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