Be Constructive when referencing PlanetSide 1

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

I don't argue for the sake of argument.

I argue because people are wrong. Including myself.

Its fine, I will refrain from bring up PS1, no matter how relevant.

This is not what I asked, read my original topic where I added in the quote from Chip who read what I said and recited it EXACTLY HOW I MEANT IT for people like you.

[Dragonskin]

I agree with Hamma.

I've been through several MMOs over the years. Back when Everquest 2 came out people used to compare it to Everquest 1. They were not exactly the same and even had basically a parallal universe to explain why things were different. Classes were different, races, lore, skills, abilities, level advancement... everything was basically different because it wasn't Everquest 1.

Now, Planetside 2 is king. What changes that were made.. lore, places, weaponary, classes, mechanics... it's all Planetside 2 now so constantly referring to a previous installment will not always help make changes for the better.

If we want to give feedback on how to improve the game we have to look at it from Planetside 2's perspective. Planetside 2 in not Planetside 1 with new graphics. It's a new game.

They are not going to bring back the inventory management of Planetside 1 because it doesn't fit in Planetside 2.

They aren't going to drastically change how people get access to vehicles by making people cert into them to even use them because they sold people weapons for vehicles, skins, decals, accessories... people want access to all that. So they will not lock down access to vehicles like it was in Planetside 1. Those are just examples of things that won't change that I hear a lot on this boards.

So if we want to help make Planetside 2 better we need discuss things that would be relevant to improving Planetside 2 based on the current state of the game keeping in mind that the Devs obviously have a different direction and focus for the game than Planetside 1.

[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by maradine

Then I say something.

Stella? No? Man.

"This worked better in PS1 because it attenuated systemic shock in the bladbity blah blah" - useful discussion point.

"When are they going to make PS1 F2P? That's what the community really wants." - not useful discussion point.

I think that's the razor here.

I do not disagree.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by maradine

Then I say something.

Stella? No? Man.

"This worked better in PS1 because it attenuated systemic shock in the bladbity blah blah" - useful discussion point.

"When are they going to make PS1 F2P? That's what the community really wants." - not useful discussion point.

I think that's the razor here.

Another person capable of understanding what I mean. Thanks maradine.

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

What would be constructive?

I disagree with the original post, its premise and its intent.

Look, I want ps1 to be free to play and most of its features to be implemented into PS2 just as much as the next vet but we have to appreciate what Hamma is requesting here. The pS2 forums are primarily for PS2 discussion and if you want to bring up PS1 you should have a good reason for doing so. Other than that, PS1 discussion should be in PS1 sub-section, that's what it's there for.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

I agree with Hamma.

I've been through several MMOs over the years. Back when Everquest 2 came out people used to compare it to Everquest 1. They were not exactly the same and even had basically a parallal universe to explain why things were different. Classes were different, races, lore, skills, abilities, level advancement... everything was basically different because it wasn't Everquest 1.

Now, Planetside 2 is king. What changes that were made.. lore, places, weaponary, classes, mechanics... it's all Planetside 2 now so constantly referring to a previous installment will not always help make changes for the better.

If we want to give feedback on how to improve the game we have to look at it from Planetside 2's perspective. Planetside 2 in not Planetside 1 with new graphics. It's a new game.

They are not going to bring back the inventory management of Planetside 1 because it doesn't fit in Planetside 2.

They aren't going to drastically change how people get access to vehicles by making people cert into them to even use them because they sold people weapons for vehicles, skins, decals, accessories... people want access to all that. So they will not lock down access to vehicles like it was in Planetside 1. Those are just examples of things that won't change that I hear a lot on this boards.

So if we want to help make Planetside 2 better we need discuss things that would be relevant to improving Planetside 2 based on the current state of the game keeping in mind that the Devs obviously have a different direction and focus for the game than Planetside 1.

Excellent post!

[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Another person capable of understanding what I mean. Thanks maradine.

I understand completely what you mean. You have a horrible way of saying it. You fell into the same trap though, "Planetside is dead" is about as useful as "It should be copied from Planetside 1"

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by CrazEpharmacist

You're not really offering anything constructive here. Just arguing for the sake of arguing it seems.

Glad someone else sees it.

[Rahabib]

Originally Posted by Punker

...I don't think it's a matter of nostalgia, i think it's more of a fact that something worked, was trialed and successful and might possibly be the solution needed for the new game.

Telling your member base to forget all about the original game that bought them here, and to never compare the two could be pretty detrimental to the site.

I know the reason that the dev's visit here more than their own forums is because they value the opinions of PS1 vets (just look at Malorn's story and manifesto).

...

First off, I don't think we know if the majority of players are PS1 vets or not. I think there is a good population of PS1 players, but who really knows where all of these people come from. The game is free so that invites a whole host of populations.

Next, we have to be careful when we say that "it worked" in PS1. "It worked" is very subjective, but furthermore, "it worked" in a particular context - it may not work in PS2. "It worked" may hinge on not making one change, but lots of changes in order to make it "work" in PS2. Keep that in mind. Not to say we should forget about PS1, but we really need people to keep everything in perspective when making arguments about what to implement.

Also, I think the major reason the devs visit this site, which is the same reason I do, is that there are fewer posts here (which is a good thing) which makes finding useful thought out posts much easier to find than 1 good post on page 3 of the PS2 forums because it got bumped out with people posting how much they hate the game rather than what they like, or what would make the game even better.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

I understand completely what you mean. You have a horrible way of saying it. You fell into the same trap though, "Planetside is dead" is about as useful as "It should be copied from Planetside 1"

I fell into no trap, it's a valid point. We aren't getting PlanetSide 1 in a new engine ever so just give up on it already.

[Chaff]

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....some of y'all are stupid pee-pee potty-headed doodie-faces......
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[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Excellent post!

Of course it is, its the same premise as yours.

"Planetside 2 in not Planetside 1 with new graphics."

Witch is an egregious simplification to create a strawman when someone brings up parallels to the original title that may be useful.

[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by Hamma

I fell into no trap, it's a valid point. We aren't getting PlanetSide 1 in a new engine ever so just give up on it already.

Oh FFS.

I have to ask. Do you think that I, as well as many who bring up elements of Planetside 1 all want PS1 with new graphics?

[Hamma]

My patience is wearing thin with you MrBloodworth. You are wasting space on this board with your argumentative non constructive posts. I'm not the only one that is tired of it.

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Excellent post!

I agree good post, and pretty much sums up this threads intentions.