Discussion of recent PSU events

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by DaShiznit

I never said they sucked, but I think the like-it-or-leave-it attitude is a problem. We need to listen to those who left. Maybe they have a valid point to make.

I agree.

[Hamma]

They left over something that happened like 2 months ago before the moderation changes were made not because of something that happened on the forums even.

[DaShiznit]

But that doesn't change the fact that the mods are too overbearing. We all need to loosen up.

[I Hate Pants]

It's great to see soo many people jumping the Bohica bandwagon.

A week ago you guys had no problem with PSU. Today you figure the forum is sinking and now you want to move to Bohica and talk crap about PSU and cmplain about it's moderation?

Wasn't it the PSU community who wanted more moderators not too long ago? We even had a vote to see who would become moderator? I believe electrofreak and earlydawn were the contendors.

Someone should dig that thread up.

[JetRaiden]

I gotta take Hamma's side on this. Its his site, he doesnt have to change CONFORM to any of you. So you can stay, thats great, otherwise,

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by JetRaiden

I gotta take Hamma's side on this. Its his site, he doesnt have to change CONFORM to any of you. So you can stay, thats great, otherwise,

This is true, but what's the harm in giving the people what they want? Saying no for the sake of saying no dosen't seem logical to me.

[Infernus]

Th3 Government: r3d - Hamma, I did not fucking leave cause dhark did, will you get it out of your mind already? I told you that was the icing on the cake. The new moderation is horrible, you're not seeing anything wrong cause you're the head of it. If I would've really cared SO MUCH to dharks ban, I would've left then. Not now. Its 98% of the moderation I am leaving.

Th3 Government: say that is from me

From r3d

[Jaged]

hmm, all this drama chaces back to that attack on teamg0d.... they replied with an attack, we boosted mods, over moderation causes this

whos idea was that attack, lets kill them.

[I Hate Pants]

Hey, they're all leaving because of me being banned 2 months ago!@!11

Dhark's ego grows bigger as he reads these forums. As if he wasn't self centered and ignorant enough already. :/

[xmodum]

I knew today would suck, Dhark coming back, then Dhark gettin banned (Which he was supposed to be banned, im not against it), then my brother gettin kicked out, NO EVE SUBSCRIPTION, no money, and, worst of all, I HAD TO DO HOMEWORK

[Squeeky]

First off, the call for more Moderators, in my mind, was a call for more moderators online at one time so threads wouldnt slip through the cracks like they had a habit of doing. Not for stricter moderation.

Second off, people, please, if you get an IM from one of these fuckwits asking you to post an AIM message for them, dont. It'd be different if they got banned against their will, but they wanted to be banned, they silenced themselves. Now they need to learn to shut the fuck up.

Third, I think looser moderation is in order, but Hamma's made his ruling, and it's something I have to respect. He's always taken PSU in a positive direction, and I have to be confident in his conviction to keep the moderation the way it is.

[Kyonye]

Agreeable Squeeky...

[Squeeky]

Originally Posted by Infernus on BOHICA Forums

Good riddance


No, in all seriousness that forum has gone insanely downhill and I do beleive that soon, it will be time for me to take my leave as well.

Why not do us all a favor and just leave already? For good, pretty please?

[AztecWarrior]

I am going to bury all arguments here:

1. Times change. Sometimes more moderation is needed, sometimes less. I don't believe firing moderators is the answer: I believe a general more lax status is what we need. The current amount of moderators is fine.

2. I do not believe that Doop is to blame for all of this. If you are an asshole to someone, you shouldn't get by because you're funny.

3. On the same token, Dhark & Co were very funny (when you weren't the target). This is why they are missed. However, to quote Charlie Murphy, he was "a habitual line-stepper."

In the end, people remember them for P-CON and other shenanigans, not the wrongdoings. This is why all of a sudden there is a demand for him back. If it can be made clear that he is to stop the abuse, then we can let him back in, maybe.

4. Hamma- you're missing the point. A lot of them specifically mentioned reasons other than the Dhark IRC ban for leaving.

5. I won't mention any names, but I beg to differ when two people are in a flame war that the best solution is to ban them both. Maybe one is right. Not always, but maybe one is right.

6. Why are the vets leaving "all of a sudden"? They aren't. Why are there less vets? They sense that PSU has changed. They sense that in the wake of the flame war infatadas, PSU's fun atmoshpere was castrated.

I tend to agree on them that light flame and banter is fine, and their view that a thread lock because two people are debating in the Lounge is preposterous.

This is what we mean by less moderation: not less moderators, not letting the banned back in, not softening up on abuse- we mean that flame wars shouldn't be stopped before they happen. Because they don't always happen.


Do I agree with Hamma? No.
Will I play by his rules? Yes.

In the end, this will all iron over. The goal was a non-elitist community, after the TribalWar disaster. We need to strike a balance between the vets leaving in disgust and casteism.

After all, who says the best members WERE HERE when it started? I Hate Pants, SDM, Yours Truly, Triggar, martyr, et cetera...we weren't here when it started, and we're relatively popular.

By the same token, the forum needs some background and culture.

[starbum]

Umm... wow. This thread can be its very own soap opera.

Cant we all just post threads, make jokes, discuss topics, and have a good time on the forums? Why bring the bullshit of real life drama and poltics to PSU? sigh.



To quote Monty: "This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let�s not bicker and argue about who killed who"