Originally Posted by Talek Krell
Is there some alternate definition of genocide that says "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Unless of course it's just homosexuals."?
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Well if it counts as genocide or not is actually based entirely how loose you are with the definition of the word "behavior". But if you do it becomes that the ones who are committing genocide against homosexuals are in fact homosexuals.
First let's define genocide, there's a
UN convention on it so we can use their definition
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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Let's look at "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group". Outside of human
parthenogenesis you can't naturally reproduce in a homosexual relationship. Ergo, a strict homosexual is preventing births in their group. So if homosexuals qualify as "a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" they are committing genocide against themselves. I find this technicality amusing.
So why does the definition of behavior matter? Well look at the definition of genocide. National groups are either those bound by states or a group sharing culture and/or ethnicity. There is no Homoistan so we have to rely on the second definition whose bits are already in the list (culture/ethnicity).
Ethnical is the next definition which can be "Ethnic or of or relating to ethnology." Ethnology is effectively the study of human culture so that's another mark for culture. Ethnic is the more fun of the two but I'm going to ignore its more eccentric definitions and go for "Of or relating to a group of people having common racial, national, religious or cultural origins."
I'm not going to bother with "racial or religious group" as neither of those apply. (I am also now noticing that the convention missed an oxford comma) So it comes down to culture which has shown up in every previous definition though not in the main text. Culture's primary definition brings us to needing to know the definition of society and nation the latter of which we've covered. Society brings us to "norms of behavior" oddly enough the word behavior also shows up in one of culture's lower definitions.
And that's why we need to define "behavior". Well Google puts it as "2: The way in which an animal or person acts in response to a particular situation or stimulus." Wikipedia says "1: The way a living creature behaves or acts." And dictionary.com has "1. manner of behaving or acting."
So yes, if we go several definitions deep we can say that genocide covers homosexuals. But it would also mean that western governments are committing genocide daily. Not against homosexuals but against pedophiles. Go back and look at definition (e) "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group" pretty sure that happens all the time and if we're defining genocide to include sexual behavior it counts.
May I suggest you find a new word to get upset over? Like "homoromanticide"?
tl;dr
Learn what's worth getting upset over, like Saudi Arabia's treatment of anyone who isn't Male, straight, and Muslim. Good day.
2011-12-06, 09:25 AM
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