Airlift, or was it Les.. yeah Lex.. this is for you..

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
No, I see how this keeps the rich ahead of the poor, but I do not see how it specifically hurts blacks, but not whites who are also in poverty.

But if a greater percentage of blacks are in poverty than whites are in poverty, then it is invariably hurting Blacks more.

So you have therefore validated a system that is going to inherently damage the black population more than the white population.

[mistled]

Then why isn't the program designed to help all the poor. Why does it discriminate in favor of blacks??

[Lexington_Steele]

As I posted before, affirmative action is in place to correct a racial inequality, not class inequality. And my question was: why would you take race out of the equasion if you are trying to address a racial issue.

You suggest helping the poor instead, how about doing both. When the socio-economic inequality is gone, so is the need for AA.

[Unregistered]

You have convinced me that Afirmitave Racism is the way to go. Now Lex can you help me become a better Racist? I'm really new to the whole judging people based on skin color thing so I was hoping you could set me straight.

Ok first I understand that Whites are evil, and should always be concidered last for anything because of things that happened 100's of years ago. In fact these atrocitys were so horrible that we need to punish all future generations of whites because of them.

Now that we have that straight can you help me rank these other races in order from Hate them to Love them.

Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Middle Easteners, Indians, Native Americans and Woman.

If I do the easy thing and rank them alphebetacally it puts Asians ahead of blacks, but that doesn't seem right because Asians are genrally more finacally well off then Blacks.

So the were going to rank it from who needs money the most, but that puts the Middle Easteners at the top and that doesn't seem right either.

Boy it's hard to be a racist.

ok how about we rank them in order from least to most so that the true Minority get's the most help....No that won't work because Woman, and Blacks end up at the bottom of the list.

The there is the question of Homosexuality since it is protected by afirmitave action now too. Is a Gay White man more important then the Straight Black man? Or does his whiteness override his gayness? What about a Black Woman? Dose Racism stack? Should she get doubble the privliges for being Black and being a Woman?

Would a Gay Black Woman get 3 times the preferential treatment?

What if there are 2 Black men equally quallified for the same job? Does the one from Africa get the job over the Jamacian?


Please help me to better endorse racist policys so that America can never be equal.

[BLuE_ZeRO]

No sarcasm there

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
And my question was: why would you take race out of the equasion if you are trying to address a racial issue.

And you never answered my question....

Do two wrongs make a right?

How do you fight Racism with Racism without creating more Racism?

Afirmitiave Action is not the solution to these problems. I comend you for trying to solve Racial issues but supporting Racism is not the way to go about it.

[BLuE_ZeRO]

Only way to solve it is to have only one race. Well it's mass interracial breeding time

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Unregistered
And you never answered my question....

Do two wrongs make a right?

I see afirmative action as being a wrong, but alleviating another wrong. So in my eyes, the total net wrong is reduced by affirmative action.

In addition, it is meant to continue reducing the total net wrong until a time when the net wrong is nearly nonexistant.

So two wrongs eventually lead to a lack of wrong.

[mistled]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
As I posted before, affirmative action is in place to correct a racial inequality, not class inequality. And my question was: why would you take race out of the equasion if you are trying to address a racial issue.

You suggest helping the poor instead, how about doing both. When the socio-economic inequality is gone, so is the need for AA.

But the problem is class inequality, not race inequality. As we have both stated, the government can't force you to believe anything, so they can't stop racism. So why are they trying to do what we both know they can't??
My point is that if the problem in actually more about class than race. Why don't we put our efforts into helping the entire class of people, which will also bring the desired effect of helping racial inequality as well.
By suggesting we help the poor, I am saying to do both. Since the problem that people seem to think that blacks have is one of being poor, helping the poor helps on both levels.

[Tobias]

Originally posted by BLuE_ZeRO
Only way to solve it is to have only one race. Well it's mass interracial breeding time

Yes! we Can organize massive orgies! Everyone can join in! and then.....um....uh....more sex! And after we have babies of every race combined so we only have the one race of tan people we can have even more sex, just to be sure. And remember, AIDs kills kiddies, so use a condom. (The ladies can go to sperm banks for impregnation, the sex is just for fun)

[mistled]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
I see afirmative action as being a wrong, but alleviating another wrong. So in my eyes, the total net wrong is reduced by affirmative action.

In addition, it is meant to continue reducing the total net wrong until a time when the net wrong is nearly nonexistant.

So two wrongs eventually lead to a lack of wrong.

Lex, I think we're done here. I think we both see AA as not being the ideal solution. Our difference is that you think the government should and can take an active role in the lives of people and I think that the government should get out of their way and let people fashion their own path.

Perhaps you have too much faith in government. Perhaps I have too much confidence in the generosity of people to help their fellow man.

Either way, I think we have come to a point where we can agree that we have both listened to the other's view and hopefully understand where they are coming from.

Have fun everyone, I'm bowing out (unless someone says something really stupid of course ).

mistled

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
Lex, I think we're done here. I think we both see AA as not being the ideal solution. Our difference is that you think the government should and can take an active role in the lives of people and I think that the government should get out of their way and let people fashion their own path.

Perhaps you have too much faith in government. Perhaps I have too much confidence in the generosity of people to help their fellow man.

Either way, I think we have come to a point where we can agree that we have both listened to the other's view and hopefully understand where they are coming from.

Have fun everyone, I'm bowing out (unless someone says something really stupid of course ).

mistled

I whole-heartedly agree.

[Navaron]

Something Really Stupid.

[Unregistered]

I'm tired of this thread. Racism makes me sick in every way shape or form and I'm tired of this thread. Affirmitave action is racism.

I'm sure the whites all had really good and justifiable reasons to opress blacks in the 20th century, and they were no less racist then the people that justify the state sanctioned opression of whites in the 21st.

[Hijinks]

Originally posted by Airlift
What is this, freeper south?

greetings crl monkeys.