Universe theory question.

[Hydralisk]

Thanks for the read Gunslinger!
BTW: Unless you are being sarcastic, ******ds is censored because the first 6 letters is the name of a pyramid online game that is spammed EVERYWHERE that everyone except its participants hate.

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

http://superstringtheory.com/

This explains most of what you guys have been talking about. Alot of it is still theory and alot of it is also based off of those theorys.


However math has already solved this "finite" universe debate.

Imagin you placed a circle on a plane. Both are 2D however one if finite and the other is infinite (Circle = Finite, Plane = Infiinte). Thats how the universe is. All the planets stars and random "matter" are the circle and what we are expanding into is infinity, or the plane. So where people get confused is the definition of universe. It seems to have two sides, one being a finite definition and another being infinite. And thats where the problem lies.


From here on in simply apply both defninitions to something. When one makes sense but not the other simply ignore the other definition. If both make sense then . Also the universe cant posably be expanding faster than the speed of light. If it was we would only see a select few of the stars we do now. Of course thats assuming we arent already seeing a select few.

Look at Newton's laws and apply them to the universe expansion. The only variable we cant find out yet is if there is a resisting force, and if it will deplete itself. So apply it in the three scenarios that can happen.

1) The universe is expanding unimposed (No enegy, so it has run out). We keep flying into the depths of the universe never stoping untill some other force intervenes.

2) The univese is expanding but is imposed (The expansion is being resisted, and the energy will run out). Just a race of time, witch engergy will last longer.

3) The universe is expanding and the energy resisting it will not run out. We are fucked. This is the dark matter scenario. We are moving out-wards but constantly being pulled back in. So without a "boost" of speed we will eventually fall back into a big bang. See the baseball example on the bottom of page one.

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.

wow good job, i'm glad i don't have to type all that.

And to SDM and Sol, your both kinda right, becasue of entropy leading to a disapation of energy into heat, wich is not useable, unless it's flowing we will run out of useable energy but that will be after all matter is converted into energy, and think about E=MC^2 a very small amout of mass is a whole fuckign lot of energy, so it's not a problem, becasue by the time the universe gets to that point it will either have collapsed, or expanded to the point were existance as we know it will no longer be possible. Unless the two forces Gun was talking about end up being equal.

Anit matter is real. and a very small amout makes a lot of energy(e=mc^2 again) and if there was anyway of finding some it would be very very cool(also anti-matter is the same as regular matter, IE it behaves exactaly the same, so there is anit-hydrogen, and anti-oxygen ect. so there is no way to tell if it is anti-matter unless matter colides with it, resulting in a very noticable BOOM.

[Wraithlord]

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system?

[Jekz]

Originally Posted by Wraithlord

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system?

Often times, the distance between solar systems is so great that galaxies pass through each other without actually touching.

[Rbstr]

it would be liek a gigantic gravatic trainwreck though. Thats alot of gravity coming realy close, i saw a simulation of it once it looked so awsome, they kind of continued spiraling in different directions and made a wierd corkscrew shape.

[JetRaiden]

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.

if youve ever heard of the little stat-based internet game 0utwar, that phrase is banned around here apparently. ******

[_-Gunslinger-_]

Thank you for all the positive feedback on the post. Didnt know about ******. Also a quick word on entropy. While energy is indeed infinite. Its uable energy thats not. Look at energy like food. Food you eat and then shit out whatever you ate, you gain the nutrients and in turn are able to do things and the waste cannot be consumed for nutrients again. Now apply that to energy. You use it to do some type of work, and then the waste byproduct is no longer usable. Simple.

(Shudder that was a sickening example, but the best one I could come up with at the moment.)

[KarlMarxist]

Originally Posted by Wraithlord

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system?

Damn, only 2.5 billion years? Thing is, I know nothing about this, and it depresses me, but when I go to school and start talking out my ass about things I don't know about, I want some of the information to make the tiniest shred of sense. So pretty much:

One Theory States that Matter has an opposite force. And something about the universe expanding and fighting against the force? (Darkmatter : Added )

Another Theory States that the universe is finite, and is trying to expand, and the place upon which it can expand is infinite, meaning we're never going to see it end.

And another states, that there are multiple universes, and that one seems flawed, but not at all out of the question, reasoning WHAT FILLS THE GAP?! Theory is Speculation by definition. If I'm wrong, someone correct me, I'd like to know sort of what I'm talking out my ass about.

[JetRaiden]

edit: Im stupid, forget I said anything

[Everay]

if there is more than one universe, and i do belive it says so in the bible, nothing fills the gaps, not like the nothingness of space, but actual nothingness.

as for this collision in a few billion years, itll happen so slow, that youll hardly notice, and in actuality there is alot of space between the starts of this galaxy, plenty of space inbetween for a star to fit through, so there wont be too many collisions, but there will be some. the only unknown factor there for me is how are the centers of these two galaxies going to react? if im not mistaken, there is a giant black hole in the center of Andromida, just like these is a giant black hole in our own galaxy, both about the size of our solar system, in effect, the largest objects in the universe.

[Jekz]

Well if the Bible! says....

[Everay]

well, the bible says it, and some, physicists say it, but some, not all, its still a theory, and a highly debated one too.

[Hydralisk]

Black Holes scare me

[MrShooter]

Falling into a black hole...

What would it be like if Sci's knew earth was headed directly at a black hole?

What does it feel like being pulled into one?

What does it feel like being pulled into a black hole, getting torn apart atom by atom, particle by particle from the endless gravity well, into a indefinately small void where time, space, and the laws of physics have no meaning?

[Hydralisk]

I'd imagine it'd be pretty painless. It would be instantaneous more than likely... What I would be scared of is that, when it happens, you will have no idea what happened until after its over and you might not even have a mind to contemplate what happened at all.