NC Corporate Involvement.

[Red Beard]

Originally Posted by Shiftfaced

Of course it is, coming from a tr supporter as yourself. You have been rationalizing any negative thing the tr has done. Even the treason your leaders committed. Just because you have cybernetics installed does not take away that you are human. It is enhancing an already amazing thing. The body does amazing things. We just want to make it even better.

-The Borg's new PR rep

[Shiftfaced]

Originally Posted by Red Beard

-The Borg's new PR rep

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[Retaliation]

Originally Posted by Red Beard

This is both highly accurate...and pessimistic!

The best part is I joined NC because I view pessimism as pointless and self defeating.

Originally Posted by Malorn

If those are the options then the TR is clearly the lesser of three evils. They keep you safe and retain your soul. Freedom is over-rated.

The thing is, how do you keep creating new ideas and technology without an ability to freely create them? Throughout our collective history we've pretty much proven that when it comes to advancing ourselves states are horrible. At best they can assist and direct, at worst they can completely shut it down. As the TR seeks to preserve, any kind of change is ultimately a threat to it's existence so it will seek the latter. The TR of today is going to be the TR a century from now. They will have killed the very idea that the future can be better.

It's funny how this is reflected in game. TR is using what is by then ancient technology and sees no reason to change. The NC is willing to use much more advanced technology and only advances slower than the VS because they still have to stop corruption and ensure people follow the law. The VS get to go crazy with tech because they don't even need a government they're just programmed to know what's wrong.

[Virulence]

The backbone of the NC rank-and-file consists first and foremost of laborers; organized unions that got sick of the Republic's shit. We were offered the opportunity to stand on our own against the TR, and took it. We don't give a damn about the corporations' overarching agenda. We just don't want to be used and abused by the Republic anymore.

So, who are we, really? We've got the unions - men and women hardened by long hours of hard labor with heavy equipment. We've got some ex-Republic military, too, who had the same idea we did. Yeah, we've got mercs, too - but they're stuck on this rock all the same as we are. They've been with us long enough to know they'd rather stand with us than fight against us.

We've got ingenuity and we've got muscle. The majority of our equipment is re-purposed stuff. We just grabbed the biggest guns we could find and hammered 'em on. We've got some fancy high-tech solutions of our own, too. Stuff that's supposed to punch a hole clear through a mountain. I wonder what that'll do to a Prowler.

All we know is that we've got the opportunity to get out from beneath the TR's oppressive thumb. I have no doubt that our victory on Auraxis will get us the peace and freedom we want, but should those same corporations that backed us try to drop that hammer on us again, we'll smash them just like we smashed the Republic.

As for the Vanu? They want to unite everyone under their cult freak alien banner - yeah, great. Imperial oppression, cult oppression - there's no difference there. We've got no choice but to stand against them, too.

We've got our freedom at stake with nothing to lose - the tyrants we stand against are going to get slammed down, and so will you if you're not with us!

[Shiftfaced]

Originally Posted by Virulence

The backbone of the NC rank-and-file consists first and foremost of laborers; organized unions that got sick of the Republic's shit. We were offered the opportunity to stand on our own against the TR, and took it. We don't give a damn about the corporations' overarching agenda. We just don't want to be used and abused by the Republic anymore.

So, who are we, really? We've got the unions - men and women hardened by long hours of hard labor with heavy equipment. We've got some ex-Republic military, too, who had the same idea we did. Yeah, we've got mercs, too - but they're stuck on this rock all the same as we are. They've been with us long enough to know they'd rather stand with us than fight against us.

We've got ingenuity and we've got muscle. The majority of our equipment is re-purposed stuff. We just grabbed the biggest guns we could find and hammered 'em on. We've got some fancy high-tech solutions of our own, too. Stuff that's supposed to punch a hole clear through a mountain. I wonder what that'll do to a Prowler.

All we know is that we've got the opportunity to get out from beneath the TR's oppressive thumb. I have no doubt that our victory on Auraxis will get us the peace and freedom we want, but should those same corporations that backed us try to drop that hammer on us again, we'll smash them just like we smashed the Republic.

As for the Vanu? They want to unite everyone under their cult freak alien banner - yeah, great. Imperial oppression, cult oppression - there's no difference there. We've got no choice but to stand against them, too.

We've got our freedom at stake with nothing to lose - the tyrants we stand against are going to get slammed down, and so will you if you're not with us!

Mercenaries go where the money is. The corporations can easily quit backing you and the mercs can jump ship easily. Your resources will dissipate and you will be running wild with pitch forks as the corporations new army takes each of you out.

[Zolan]

Inb4 everyone starts referring to the New Conglomerate CR5's as Mad Men

[Vexus]

I like how the storylines paint all 3 factions as the bad guys, but leave just enough grey area there to rationalize that whichever faction you choose might be the good guys. That's cool.

Whether the evil that must be defended against is the breaking down of society into utter anarchy, the oppression of a fascist big brother government, or simply man's fear of evolving into something better; each faction is fighting their war to save humanity and make the world a better place. Blah blah blah ... eat a grenade.

[Vorgan]

Originally Posted by Vexus

I like how the storylines paint all 3 factions as the bad guys, but leave just enough grey area there to rationalize that whichever faction you choose might be the good guys. That's cool.

Whether the evil that must be defended against is the breaking down of society into utter anarchy, the oppression of a fascist big brother government, or simply man's fear of evolving into something better; each faction is fighting their war to save humanity and make the world a better place. Blah blah blah ... eat a grenade.

I don't really think the storylines paint them as bad guys. Seems like each side is presented fairly with both the pros and cons of pretty practical ideologies. The TR brought humanity peace, the NC fight for civil and economic liberty, and the VS want humanity to be the best it can be.

There are downsides, of course, but what ideology is perfect? They're all human (even the VS, for now), and they're all flawed. Despite that, they all have pretty noble goals (peace, freedom, progress). What we identify with and what we disapprove of just reflects on our individual world views.

That, or me joining the NC is a testament to how much I love blowing shit up from on high in a Reaver. All depends on perspective :P

[RawketLawnchair]

Originally Posted by Zolan

Inb4 everyone starts referring to the New Conglomerate CR5's as Mad Men

Not quite.

[Virulence]

Originally Posted by Shiftfaced

Mercenaries go where the money is. The corporations can easily quit backing you and the mercs can jump ship easily. Your resources will dissipate and you will be running wild with pitch forks as the corporations new army takes each of you out.

Oh, please. Without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel can turn.

[Vexus]

Originally Posted by Vorgan

I don't really think the storylines paint them as bad guys. Seems like each side is presented fairly with both the pros and cons of pretty practical ideologies. The TR brought humanity peace, the NC fight for civil and economic liberty, and the VS want humanity to be the best it can be.

There are downsides, of course, but what ideology is perfect? They're all human (even the VS, for now), and they're all flawed. Despite that, they all have pretty noble goals (peace, freedom, progress). What we identify with and what we disapprove of just reflects on our individual world views.

That, or me joining the NC is a testament to how much I love blowing shit up from on high in a Reaver. All depends on perspective :P

Reading the storylines they all sounded like bad guys to me, so maybe I should have said it that way. I tend to play the bad guy faction, so perhaps I just want to see them all as bad guys, heh.

We can definitely agree that blowing stuff up from an aircraft is gonna be a hell of a lot of fun. It's the air element that has me most excited about Planetside 2.