News: Resolved - PS2 Region

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[FastAndFree]

Back to pings for a second, just now I read an article about how a new optical cable will be laid partially under the arctic to decrease the time a packet takes to travel between London and Tokyo

To about 170ms.

[Kran De Loy]

Originally Posted by FastAndFree

Back to pings for a second, just now I read an article about how a new optical cable will be laid under the arctic to decrease the time a packet takes to travel between England and Japan

To about 170.

THe guys doing that must be getting paid a lot.

Still sucks to be them.

Also 170 ping for something 75% around to the other side of the planet is pretty good, imo.

[Skitrel]

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

THe guys doing that must be getting paid a lot.

Still sucks to be them.

Also 170 ping for something 75% around to the other side of the planet is pretty good, imo.

It's damn good. Will actually make euros playing with Tokyo possible at the least.

Personally this whole ping issue is entertaining, particularly for UK. I get 50-90 ping to New York/east coast servers and 120-160 ping to San Diego(SOE hq)/west coast servers. So limiting UK folks is just... Not necessary.

[basti]

Originally Posted by Skitrel

It's damn good. Will actually make euros playing with Tokyo possible at the least.

Personally this whole ping issue is entertaining, particularly for UK. I get 50-90 ping to New York/east coast servers and 120-160 ping to San Diego(SOE hq)/west coast servers. So limiting UK folks is just... Not necessary.

Its not just not necessary, its absolutly retarted to try. IF you region lock the Euros out of US servers, all you do is getting yourself rid of customers. Those who would play on the other side of the big sea (may it EU to NA or NA to EU) will do so, or dont play at all. If you prevent people from playing a game with their friends, they play a different game with their friends, rather than finding new friends.

[Skitrel]

Originally Posted by basti

Its not just not necessary, its absolutly retarted to try. IF you region lock the Euros out of US servers, all you do is getting yourself rid of customers. Those who would play on the other side of the big sea (may it EU to NA or NA to EU) will do so, or dont play at all. If you prevent people from playing a game with their friends, they play a different game with their friends, rather than finding new friends.

Not to mention you're just going to get people like myself proxying it up, having a worse ping than we would have had normally, and not solving the "problem" in the first place.

Not that ping these days actually affects anyone other than the person with the bad ping, as I mentioned before. It's just a cop out business decision to give someone else the trouble of managing european servers instead of doing it themselves, unfortunately.

[Kran De Loy]

Originally Posted by Skitrel

Not to mention you're just going to get people like myself proxying it up, having a worse ping than we would have had normally, and not solving the "problem" in the first place.

Not that ping these days actually affects anyone other than the person with the bad ping, as I mentioned before. It's just a cop out business decision to give someone else the trouble of managing european servers instead of doing it themselves, unfortunately.

But SOE would still be managing the servers anyway.
The only thing I think they got out of the partnership was a lot of investment capital up front at a much needed time for the parent company Sony and a customer service infrastructure already in place. (Quality of the foreign customer services is still up to debate for a lot of people.)

[Shanesan]

So my problem appears to be that my posts are either too good (thank you Kran De Loy), or this thread has devalued into flame bait.

If you guys are talking about region-locking because of ping still, you are really just disgracing the coding team at SoE and saying they don't know how to code.

A region lock is not necessary if the issue is simply a delay from nodes over the ocean. Just open servers in different regions, open to all, and have people judge how much ping they wish to deal with.

[Kran De Loy]

Originally Posted by Shanesan

A region lock is not necessary if the issue is simply a delay from nodes over the ocean. Just open servers in different regions, open to all, and have people judge how much ping they wish to deal with.

Yup. It's sad that very idea has been said so often by so many different people. That means to me that even the common laymen of gaming knows more about the matter of region-locking then the heads of such a major gaming/electronics megacorporation. Do they just not have people advising them or is it just not the right people?

Anyway, as much as we got sidetracked by the ping discussion it at least probably educated some people about why it shouldn't be a factor in region-locking for SOE. I know I learned stuff.

So back to topic: It's been 24 days since Smed told us to wait for details. (Source) It took SOE and PSS1 6 weeks between then the deal was signed to when it was announced. (Source?) The original Deal being signed 2 weeks (Source?) before Sony announced a $2.1 billion loss in the last quarter. (Source)

So how long is it gonna take to announce the details to a REVISED partnership? I personally believe that the original announcement was pushed back for further tinkering and/or that Smed was leaned on by Sony to sign the deal early in order to mitigate part of that ridiculously huge loss.

So again, how long is it gonna take to announce a revised version of something that was already built? Is the fact that they're getting rid of RegionLocking making THAT big of a difference in the partnership deal?

And speculatively speaking now, is this an indication of the speed of which any other problems between SOE and PSS1 will be communicated and dealt with? It is also an indication of the quality of service that will be presented when customers have to deal with PSS1 to get to SOE?

[Kran De Loy]

Did this seriously make it to the third page, again? Why yes, yes it did.

Also 26 days of waiting for further details.

[SgtMAD]

"So again, how long is it gonna take to announce a revised version of something that was already built? Is the fact that they're getting rid of RegionLocking making THAT big of a difference in the partnership deal?"

dude, that is the friggin deal,SOE only has two assetts worth selling in this deal, the existing playerbase and the future subscribers to SOE games.

if there is no guaranteed market then SOE has nothing to sell.

if the Euro's can bypass the euro provider and "sub" on the US servers then Pro7 doesn't have a market,which negates the need for any sort of deal.

[Shanesan]

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

"So again, how long is it gonna take to announce a revised version of something that was already built? Is the fact that they're getting rid of RegionLocking making THAT big of a difference in the partnership deal?"

dude, that is the friggin deal,SOE only has two assetts worth selling in this deal, the existing playerbase and the future subscribers to SOE games.

if there is no guaranteed market then SOE has nothing to sell.

if the Euro's can bypass the euro provider and "sub" on the US servers then Pro7 doesn't have a market,which negates the need for any sort of deal.

SoE has lost more money in this deal the day it was announced than they will gain back in a long time. The contract should have been shredded, the contract termination fee paid and left at that.

If they had more faith in their teams to create good games and if Smedley had the intelligence to GIVE UP AND RETIRE, SoE would be making money again. SoE has been on the down and out since six years after he took control. Finally, after all that time, he has the opportunity to release a series of awesome looking sequels to great games, and he pulls this shit.

Goddamn it Smedley. We've had enough of your shit.

[Kran De Loy]

Originally Posted by Shanesan

SoE has lost more money in this deal the day it was announced than they will gain back in a long time. The contract should have been shredded, the contract termination fee paid and left at that.

If they had more faith in their teams to create good games and if Smedley had the intelligence to GIVE UP AND RETIRE, SoE would be making money again. SoE has been on the down and out since six years after he took control. Finally, after all that time, he has the opportunity to release a series of awesome looking sequels to great games, and he pulls this shit.

Goddamn it Smedley. We've had enough of your shit.

The way I see it is that Smedley isn't the best CEO, but SOE is still owned by Sony Corporation and imo Sony has a waaay worse track record on the executive level these last few years than 5 Smedleys put together.

[Shanesan]

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

The way I see it is that Smedley isn't the best CEO, but SOE is still owned by Sony Corporation and imo Sony has a waaay worse track record on the executive level these last few years than 5 Smedleys put together.

Please pardon me for one moment.

Sony Executives:


Sorry. Now that we have concluded that nonsense, please resume our normal conversation.

[Hamma]

Ah right Company _________ has the worst executives ever.

You could take many of the posts in this thread and change the names and it would live on pretty much any internet gaming forum.