Confirmed, Hackers banned for 3-10 days. [Statement from Smed]

[maradine]

Originally Posted by Micro

Yes. We all know - including Smed and Hamma - that there are more than 100 people who want to play PS1, including me.

Every single one of those people can play, right now, this very second. They are not. And, if it's because the game's not worth $15 a month, then I think you have a pretty good metric for the relative value of the game at this point in time.

Originally Posted by Micro

I can guarantee that PS1 as F2P will work and be fun.

You are simply not qualified to make that assertion, and have no standing from which to offer a guarantee.

Finally, there's a forum section for PS1, including a "hey, who would play if this went free?" post. It has 31 replies. I suggest you marshall your efforts there.

[T-Ray]

Originally Posted by Wahooo

This actually kinda pisses me off. If we are to take this seriously where the hell was this response 4-5 years ago when a couple of these pay to cheat sites took off and started making money and at the same time KILLING PS1???

From ~Jan - June of 2009 the population drop in PS1 was friggen staggering due to the rampant cheating and SLOW response. Many of the worst granted were writing the scripts themselves and sharing free to others who included many of the 'subtle' hackers we all knew about and were reported with video evidence time and time again. BUT... the pay to cheat sites were there then. The pay to cheat sites were stealing SOE's money by killing the playerbase then. PS1 was an alive game that had 1, 2 sometimes 3 pop-locked continents daily to the constant 3-way cyssorside it remained for the last 3 years of its life. That probably represents a couple thousand players actually that quit over a period of 6 months MOSTLY due to hacking.

Remember in June of 2009? They started responding to tickets in minutes, 24/7 hackers were being banned, coming back and being banned sometimes 3-4 times and the banning and GM response was better than i've seen in almost any game... but it was too little and too late the damage had been done. I know the outfit I was in at that time lost 75% of its palyers between april and may, and the next outfit I was in went from platoons to 1/2 squads during that period and neither ever recovered. GM's actually doing GM stuff in a timely manner in June? Just not enough.

SO SMED,
If these sites are some new revelation to you and you feel NOW it is time to act? FUCK YOU! This threat and action is about 5 years to late in my book.

See this is the type of bulljive I'm talking about. You want this man to do what for you now? You just told the president of SOE "fuck you" and of course now you want some kind of positive action?? Really man, come on.

First and foremost let me remind you Smed is the ONLY CEO/President of a major company that will interact with people in this type of setting. I see why others don't want to do it. No human being deserves to be disrespected like that. He's just a dude like anyone else and if you dog people and disrespect them the natural human response is to not respond or to come back with the same level of disrespect. I'm assuming that you guys want us to continue to interact and visit with you on these forums, right? If that is the case, keep it civil.

[ChipMHazard]

And... Anyone wondering how PSU could ever become irrelevant, there you have it. I think this calls for a song to remind everyone what it's all about when it comes to communicating with others

[Maidere]

Originally Posted by T-Ray

See this is the type of bulljive I'm talking about. You want this man to do what for you now? You just told the president of SOE "fuck you" and of course now you want some kind of positive action?? Really man, come on.

First and foremost let me remind you Smed is the ONLY CEO/President of a major company that will interact with people in this type of setting. I see why others don't want to do it. No human being deserves to be disrespected like that. He's just a dude like anyone else and if you dog people and disrespect them the natural human response is to not respond or to come back with the same level of disrespect. I'm assuming that you guys want us to continue to interact and visit with you on these forums, right? If that is the case, keep it civil.

I dont want to continie this off-topic, but I have to say that Hirez guys were so pissed off by reaction of those "Tribes vets" (including all kinds of offense) they stopped posting on forums for a while and the first post after this silence contented something like "other guys told me not to post here if you dont want to be offended realy hard.
I realy appreciate that SOE guys interact with community here, on reddit, on twitter - everywhere. But try to be more careful please. Even on PSU some statements can literally call a shitstorm.

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by T-Ray

See this is the type of bulljive I'm talking about. You want this man to do what for you now? You just told the president of SOE "fuck you" and of course now you want some kind of positive action?? Really man, come on.

First and foremost let me remind you Smed is the ONLY CEO/President of a major company that will interact with people in this type of setting. I see why others don't want to do it. No human being deserves to be disrespected like that. He's just a dude like anyone else and if you dog people and disrespect them the natural human response is to not respond or to come back with the same level of disrespect. I'm assuming that you guys want us to continue to interact and visit with you on these forums, right? If that is the case, keep it civil.

Smedly himself doesn't post on the official forums because of the level of censorship. He posts here and on reddit because people DO have the ability to say "fuck you". Only makes sense to expect the same freedom of expression be directed back at him. And that post you quoted seemed pretty damn reasonable/constructive to me. It highlights the path PS2 will likely take when it becomes even less populated than it is now, gets put on life support and becomes a hackers dream come true with no repercussion.

And please, get off your high horse. You guys are not special in any way. Plenty of developers interact on forums with their community.

[ChipMHazard]

Some people really need to learn some bloody manners...
Since when does lack of censorship equate to telling others "fuck you"?

[Wahooo]

Originally Posted by T-Ray

See this is the type of bulljive I'm talking about. You want this man to do what for you now? You just told the president of SOE "fuck you" and of course now you want some kind of positive action?? Really man, come on.

First and foremost let me remind you Smed is the ONLY CEO/President of a major company that will interact with people in this type of setting. I see why others don't want to do it. No human being deserves to be disrespected like that. He's just a dude like anyone else and if you dog people and disrespect them the natural human response is to not respond or to come back with the same level of disrespect. I'm assuming that you guys want us to continue to interact and visit with you on these forums, right? If that is the case, keep it civil.

Well, there are idiots everywhere, and the internet has a way of bringing out the worst in everyone. I really would hope a few jerks flying off the handle wouldn't color the opinion of, or set any kind of precedent for this site as a whole.

I appreciate immensely that Smedly came here an posted. I wouldn't have expected it. Probably a reason I was so "internet tough" in my post. I did write that PRIOR to Smed coming back on here to comment, so I wasn't really expecting the message to get to him directly. Not a real excuse for that type of attack but it wasn't a response to him directly on this forum.

I've been stewing on this for a few years, and the impression that the extent that these pay-2-cheat sites have gotten would be NEW news, IS very disheartening. Had the impression I got initially been, ~"we have NEW avenues to dealing with some of these websites that are making money from those hacks that weren't previously available". My reaction would have been 100% opposite, so after reading SMED's reply it would seem that is closer to the truth, and IF that is the case I apologize profusely. I really hope you can see the difference in what I thought I saw. I responded to what I took as ignorance and apathy in the past, rather than a hands tied non-profitable business decision.

I am still pissed, however, and do hold a general grudge about the failings of the past.
BUT,
I also appreciate where it IS going in the future. If you read my posts I've been critical but I also have been pretty happy with current response to cheaters. I like where it is going, and as I've said many times, I personally have not seen blatant hackers running amok.

[T-Ray]

Originally Posted by CrazEpharmacist

Smedly himself doesn't post on the official forums because of the level of censorship. He posts here and on reddit because people DO have the ability to say "fuck you". Only makes sense to expect the same freedom of expression be directed back at him. And that post you quoted seemed pretty damn reasonable/constructive to me. It highlights the path PS2 will likely take when it becomes even less populated than it is now, gets put on life support and becomes a hackers dream come true with no repercussion.

And please, get off your high horse. You guys are not special in any way. Plenty of developers interact on forums with their community.

oh yeah, asking people to respect one another is me being on a high horse. What was I thinking???

[Wahooo]

Originally Posted by jamesr

Now is not the time to be civil. Now is the time to be bloody outraged!

Not really. The point of my original post was that Outrage was a long time ago. Smed's response was ~fine whatever hakunamatata what about the future.

I got it off my chest and I meant it. But I also feel the future is a lot brighter than the past.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by CrazEpharmacist

Smedly himself doesn't post on the official forums because of the level of censorship. He posts here and on reddit because people DO have the ability to say "fuck you". Only makes sense to expect the same freedom of expression be directed back at him. And that post you quoted seemed pretty damn reasonable/constructive to me. It highlights the path PS2 will likely take when it becomes even less populated than it is now, gets put on life support and becomes a hackers dream come true with no repercussion.

And please, get off your high horse. You guys are not special in any way. Plenty of developers interact on forums with their community.

If you find the need during discourse to go to the "fuck you" card then you've either run out of productive things to say or you've realized you lost the argument.

[Shogun]

damn, i feel ashamed for some statements in here...

talking to devs in such a rude, unmannered and disrespectful way isn´t helpful in any way! i hope, that additional rude posts will inflict bans. you guys destroy the devs love for this community! scaring them away from psu is a bad idea if you want ps2 to get better!

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by Shogun

damn, i feel ashamed for some statements in here...

talking to devs in such a rude, unmannered and disrespectful way isn´t helpful in any way! i hope, that additional rude posts will inflict bans. you guys destroy the devs love for this community! scaring them away from psu is a bad idea if you want ps2 to get better!

Ah, well I apologize if I offended anyone. Just had to get some stuff off my chest. But yeah T-ray I agree we could all benefit from being respectful to each other but sometimes that "FU" may be warranted and due to the nature of the internet and emotions, it is hard to hold back for some.

[Aaron]

You tell 'em T-Ray.

[Thunderhawk]

Well done guys..... we had a good thing going here with Devs popping in to air views and discuss issues with us as a community, and the posts in this thread have been totally ridiculous, rude, insulting and down right uncivilized.

I wouldn't hold it against them if they never came back here again - I hope they continue to do so, and realise that the views expressed in this thread is of a minority of the people on PSU - but I wouldnt hold it against them if we saw less and less of them on here.

Really well done, bravo.......

[Hamma]

This thread is just sad. These developers go out of their way to come here and interact with us and you act like a bunch of 2 year old children. Grow up, and get the hell out of this community if you can't be constructive. There is no other dev team that has interacted at the level SOE PlanetSide 2 developers have. People have said there has been but I can't find any other example of such involvement.