Should being revived count as a death?

[Papscal]

Dead is dead, how the fuck can this even be a topic? Anyone who thinks ya cant count a death as a death is certainly swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool. But hey even tards are welcome in a free mmo/fps.

[Blackwolf]

Originally Posted by Razicator

Yes. The only time it makes sense to not count as a death would be in a ticket-based system like Battlefield's conquest mode. Otherwise hell, you'll get people who refuse to revive themselves to preserve their K/D ratio and wait for a medic for a long time, taking up server space.

This is the point that sold me. People are obsessive with their silly K/D ratio and will wait for minutes for a revive.

Revival should be a squad tactic. So maybe if you're in a squad and your squad medic revives you, then the death is subtracted from your score. That give you an incentive to group with medics and keep them alive.

[Vanu Techpriest]

I think it should count as a death but the second death (after you are revived) should not be counted especially if you are able to revive someone multiple times.

[Zulthus]

K/D as a stat in general is pointless and stupid, even more that people care about it so much IMO. We'd be much better of with SKYeXile's suggestion of score per minute, it is much more accurate and detailed of one's performance.


But, to answer the poll question, yes, it should. You were killed. The only difference being you don't have to run all the way back from a Galaxy.

[Papscal]

Originally Posted by Stardouser

No, that's not true. Deaths that are revived aren't deaths, the real issue is whether or not kills should be split into kills and takedowns.

Wrong. Stop trying to rename what is a death. If you need a team member to get you back on your feet your fucking dead son. If i take a guy down and hes incapacitated hes dead. If hes not ill put one more in his head. I have no problem with finishing the deed.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Stardouser

No, that's not true. Deaths that are revived aren't deaths, the real issue is whether or not kills should be split into kills and takedowns.

its not true in games like BF3, but in any other game with half decent stat tracking the amount of kills = deaths-suicides.

[Stew]

If you cant choose if you accept the revive NO if you cant Yes it all depend on thats so as it is now it seams you will be able to accept or not the revive so i think the dead should count ...

or another solution is implementing a bleedout timer and (( kill ) so when your on the ground if a ennemy finish you off the dead count or if the time of the bleed out timer run out the dead count But if you get revive before the bleed out time is finish and you did not get executed while on the ground the dead should not count ! ( also headshot and heavy explosive must be Dead 100 % dead !

[Phellix]

This thread is retarded

what the fuck games have you guys been playing that a death shouldn't count as a death? Seriously, i don't fucking get it. It's a shooter, kill people, die, respawn, kill people. Revive is for tactical use not killstreaks. Holy fuck.

[Stardouser]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

its not true in games like BF3, but in any other game with half decent stat tracking the amount of kills = deaths-suicides.

You're simply not using logic. If the player is revived and does not respawn, then death is not final. Period.

As for decent stat tracking, THAT is a different issue, isn't it? It has ZERO bearing on the logic of whether a revived death should count. And it's already been covered. Create a takedown statistic.

In fact, having all revives count as deaths is equally poor for stat tracking. A player that runs with medics and organized squad play that often gets revived, will seem like he's dying a lot. Again, takedown/taken down stats.

Originally Posted by Phellix

This thread is retarded

what the fuck games have you guys been playing that a death shouldn't count as a death? Seriously, i don't fucking get it. It's a shooter, kill people, die, respawn, kill people. Revive is for tactical use not killstreaks. Holy fuck.

Killstreaks? You think people are saying this because of killstreaks? NOW I know where some of this is coming from. We shouldn't even have killstreaks. This isn't CoD.

But since the devs are going to put in killstreaks anyway, if you are revived, that should stop your killstreak.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

its not true in games like BF3, but in any other game with half decent stat tracking the amount of kills = deaths-suicides.

They did thats in Bf3 because the (( accept )) or denied revive did not work well in the beta and also some people keep reviving you to get kill again and again is thats fair ? then they ad this No dead until you respawn their the kill count !

but for me its a + for a - because yes it prevent you to get kill over and over while a idiot revive you .

And in the other hand it just make people who play a lot whith good team mates have a very high kdr because most of their dead dosent count ! And and problem is IN BF3 their is no real bleedout mechanics or headshot punishsment to denied a revive

For me headshot = no revive at all its instant bleedout
Heavy explosive such as grenade = No revive
Claymore and c4 = revive since its very noob friendly and lame
Bodyshot legs shot = revive

bleedout timer after thats their is no revive possible
Ennemy can bleed you out if they shot at you while your on the ground and you body is still sligthly mooving laying on the ground

This is the only way to fix issue about this whole thing

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Stardouser

You're simply not using logic. If the player is revived and does not respawn, then death is not final. Period.

As for decent stat tracking, THAT is a different issue, isn't it? It has ZERO bearing on the logic of whether a revived death should count. And it's already been covered. Create a takedown statistic.



Killstreaks? You think people are saying this because of killstreaks? NOW I know where some of this is coming from. We shouldn't even have killstreaks. This isn't CoD.

I'm not using logic, your saying a player that is revived never died? how the fuck could they have been revived then? anyway, we could argue about logic or dictionary meanings ina video game, but thats deviating from the real issue of:

If a player got bested by another player, that should be tracked on the "killers" stats and the person who "died" stats. simple as that, if thats not done, you may aswell put a big fucking care bear on the stats page.

[FPClark]

Originally Posted by Malorn

Deaths shouldn't even be counted.

Tracking deaths as a stat only discourages risk-taking. Take that stat away and people are a lot more willing to go after objectives and do support activities when they aren't "punished" with a death when taking that risk doesn't work out.

Agreed 100% Remove the "deaths" stat from the game and you remove the problem...You can still have suicides and other random useless stats but you can *** the whole KDR fight (from boths sideds) in the bud if you dont give the death stat to begin with.

[Wayside]

Originally Posted by Eyeklops

Corrected?

No one saw that.
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[Stardouser]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

I'm not using logic, your saying a player that is revived never died? how the fuck could they have been rived then, anyway, we could argue about logic or dictionary meanings ina video game, but thats deviating from the real issue of:

If a player got bested by another player, that should be tracked on the "killers" stats and the person who "died" stats. simple as that, if thats not done, you may aswell put a big fucking care bear on the stats page.

Even if they died, then the revive still takes it away.

If a lone wolf attacks a squad, kills one or 2 guys before dying himself, and the squad then revives the two and moves on, did the lone wolf really "best" anyone?

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Zulthus

K/D as a stat in general is pointless and stupid, even more that people care about it so much IMO. We'd be much better of with SKYeXile's suggestion of score per minute, it is much more accurate and detailed of one's performance.


But, to answer the poll question, yes, it should. You were killed. The only difference being you don't have to run all the way back from a Galaxy.

I agree with my opinion that the most weighted stat should be score/min, but if you're gonna track K/D, atleast do it right.