Be Constructive when referencing PlanetSide 1

[CraazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by RodenyC

*snip*

With a signature like that, why are you even on a PS2 forum? If you hate the game that much, move on to something else and save yourself the aggravation. Life is too short.

On that same note, could we just have this thread locked and move on?

[Gonefshn]

I don't think hamma is trying To tell us never to mention PS1. Simply put I think he means, "you can post a thread about systems of ps1 if it includes information and ideas for constructive implementation in PS2, just don't post your dissatisfaction with the differences all the time." He wants you all to keep conversation related to improving PS2 not crucifying the game because its not PS1. ESPECIALLY in someone else's thread that has nothing to do with PS1.

He's not trying to stop anyone from looking at PS1 for INSPIRATION. He just doesn't want the whining about how PS2 is failing because its different.

[Dragonskin]

Originally Posted by Mox

Why should this community become irrelevant?

As long as the members of this community are paying customers of ps2/SOE we are absolutly relevant. By the way we are not some random "f2p is cool because i wont spend a dime" - kiddies. We are the older generation, the generation which have the money to spent for ps2. we are the real fanboys. loyal to the franchise for a decade. I myself spend already around 150 bucks for ps2 and around 500 bucks at least for ps1. Therefore i am relevant as hell! And i think this is the same for most of the veterans of this community.

I suggest that SOE should listen to the opinions of their relevant customers. We are not less relevant just because we point to a solution which was already known from ps1. By the way, Solutions which had already proved that it is working.

Fanboys have a funny way of being determental to new games they claim to love so passionately. Fanboys are the ones you will never please if you want to appeal to a broader audience. This is tried a true fact by now. I would be careful in labelling yourself a Fanboy.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

I don't think hamma is trying To tell us never to mention PS1. Simply put I think he means, "you can post a thread about systems of ps1 if it includes information and ideas for constructive implementation in PS2, just don't post your dissatisfaction with the differences all the time." He wants you all to keep conversation related to improving PS2 not crucifying the game because its not PS1. ESPECIALLY in someone else's thread that has nothing to do with PS1.

He's not trying to stop anyone from looking at PS1 for INSPIRATION. He just doesn't want the whining about how PS2 is failing because its different.

Indeed.

[QuiCKaNdDeaDLy]

Hamma when the first Infos showed up and People raised their first Concerns:
GUYS STOP ARGUING AND WAIT FOR BETA

Hamma when the Beta started and People got pissed how Bad it was:
GUYS OMG DIS IS BETA DIS IS NOT FINAL! WAIT MORE!

Hamma at Release:
WTF GUYS PS1 TOOK 10 YEARS TO GET WHERE IT IS! GIVE MORE TIME

Hamma a few Months after Release:
GUYS GUYS GUYS LETS ALL FORGET ABOUT PS1 AND PRETEND IT NEVER EXISTED

[Bags]

lol quick

too true

[Mox]

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

Fanboys have a funny way of being determental to new games they claim to love so passionately. Fanboys are the ones you will never please if you want to appeal to a broader audience. This is tried a true fact by now. I would be careful in labelling yourself a Fanboy.

Well. I label you also a fanboy. If someone write over 200 comments in a forum dedicated to a certain game he is clearly a fan of the respective game imo. No offence by the way it is all about definitions.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by QuiCKaNdDeaDLy

Hamma when the first Infos showed up and People raised their first Concerns:
GUYS STOP ARGUING AND WAIT FOR BETA

Hamma when the Beta started and People got pissed how Bad it was:
GUYS OMG DIS IS BETA DIS IS NOT FINAL! WAIT MORE!

Hamma at Release:
WTF GUYS PS1 TOOK 10 YEARS TO GET WHERE IT IS! GIVE MORE TIME

Hamma a few Months after Release:
GUYS GUYS GUYS LETS ALL FORGET ABOUT PS1 AND PRETEND IT NEVER EXISTED

Your not helping.

[Dragonskin]

Originally Posted by Mox

Well. I label you also a fanboy. If someone write over 200 comments in a forum dedicated to a certain game he is clearly a fan of the respective game imo. No offence by the way it is all about definitions.

I am a fan of the game yes, but I'm not a fanboy. I play tons of shooters and nothing makes me more loyal to Planetside or SOE than any other shooter. I just want PS2 to do well because I am invested in it just as much as you are.

Just saying that Fanboyism is a negative thing in general.

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Mox

Why should this community become irrelevant?

As long as the members of this community are paying customers of ps2/SOE we are absolutly relevant. By the way we are not some random "f2p is cool because i wont spend a dime" - kiddies. We are the older generation, the generation which have the money to spent for ps2. we are the real fanboys. loyal to the franchise for a decade. I myself spend already around 150 bucks for ps2 and around 500 bucks at least for ps1. Therefore i am relevant as hell! And i think this is the same for most of the veterans of this community.

I suggest that SOE should listen to the opinions of their relevant customers. We are not less relevant just because we point to a solution which was already known from ps1. By the way, Solutions which had already proved that it is working.

It would become irrelevant the day that the devs start thinking "We can't get any good feedback from there and they only rage at us when he comment there".

Oh I wouldn't go around professing ye' old entitled fanboy elitism, won't get you very far.
You know what developers have learned over the years? That those who really do whine, yet still pay, don't really have much relevance. You can't have a dialogue with them and they buy your shit anyway, so why bother.
Fanboys aren't that relevant anymore, about the only thing they are good for is when used as a defensive force.
Now customers, or anyone really, whom offer constructive criticism those can be worked with. There's a reason why companies employ other companies like Combat Testing.

I suggest that SOE listen to anyone whom might have something constructive to point out, be it negative or positive and be it from Planetside 1 or from something else. You might have noticed that they have indeed been taking ideas from the original and either implemented them or put them on the road map.
And like I have already pointed out, just because it was in Planetside 1 doesn't mean it belongs in Planetside 2. Anything that is in the game, or is to be added to the game, has to be there on its own merit. No matter which source it might stem from.

I know you ment well when writing this, that you just don't want the veterans' voices to go unheard, but the best way to make sure that doesn't happen is to stay constructive, be in a continuous dialogue with the developers, be respectful about it, don't slander them and make sure that PSU will continue to be THE place for the voice of the veterans to be heard for years to come. For how can a voice be heard if no one is listening?

Originally Posted by Mox

Well. I label you also a fanboy. If someone write over 200 comments in a forum dedicated to a certain game he is clearly a fan of the respective game imo. No offence by the way it is all about definitions.

Then you have an alternative definition of fanboy. To take an active part in a community devoted to a certain "thing" does not a fan(boy) make. You have to be enthusiasticly devoted to something in order to be a fan(boy). As we all know, when you start adding feelings into the mix that's when one starts becoming irrational and unconstructive.

[Mox]

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

It would become irrelevant the day that the devs start thinking "We can't get any good feedback from there and they only rage at us when he comment there".

Oh I wouldn't go around professing ye' old entitled fanboy elitism, won't get you very far.
You know what developers have learned over the years? That those who really do whine, yet still pay, don't really have much relevance. You can't have a dialogue with them and they buy your shit anyway, so why bother.
Fanboys aren't that relevant anymore, about the only thing they are good for is when used as a defensive force.
Now customers, or anyone really, whom offer constructive criticism, that they can work with.

I suggest that SOE listen to anyone whom might have something constructive to point out, be it negative or positive and be it from Planetside 1 or from something else. You might have noticed that they have indeed been taking ideas from the original and either implemented them or put them on the road map.
And like I have already pointed out, just because it was in Planetside 1 doesn't mean it belongs in Planetside 2. Anything that is in the game, or is to be added to the game, has to be there on its own merit. No matter which source it might stem from.

I know you ment well when writing this, that you just don't want the veterans' voices to go unheard, but the best way to make sure that doesn't happen is to stay constructive, be in a continuous dialogue with the developers, be respectful and make sure that PSU will contienue to be THE place for the voice of the veterans to be heard for years to come. For how can a voice be heard if no one is listening?

I am with you. We really have to stay constructive. But pointing to a mechanic which known from ps1 is not less constructive than suggesting something totaly new and experimental. There are often good reasons to suggest a mechanic we all already know that it will work. The main problem is that the devs conseqently reject every idea that is know from ps1. Also if they have no better alternatives. By the way, i am not dogmatic. I am open for every idea. This game shouldnt be like ps1. It should be way better. But atm there are a lot of problems without a proper solution and the game is already 3 months after release. Maybe it is time to get rid of experiments and implement something wr know it will work.

[Ironside]

Ps1 will always be used by vets as their reference point when looking at ps2, the original is always used as a yardstick when looking at a successor whether it be a game, a car or whatever,That's human nature.

We all know the devs made glaring mistakes in this game, they get highlighted in these forums all the time, the biggest being the rush to early release, we can't change that now and people come here to offer criticism, solutions, ideas and even bitch but we all have one thing in common.....we care about the game and that's why we do it.

I respect bloodsworth and a handful of others, they say what they're thinking and don't sugar coat it.

Hamma by all means make your point but to try and bully someone into submission because you don't like their posts/point of view is wrong, look at your critical video you made a few weeks ago, lots of references in that about ps1.

Whether the devs like it or not ps1 did exist and did a lot of things better than this bastardized PS/BF offering and the community will point this out.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Bags

lol quick

too true

If by too true you mean completely false then hellz yes.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Hamma

If by too true you mean completely false then hellz yes.

I didn't realize that he said "Hamma at"

I thought he said "Community at..."

I don't watch your posts enough to know your opinion at each stage.

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Mox

I am with you. We really have to stay constructive. But pointing to a mechanic which known from ps1 is not less constructive than suggesting something totaly new and experimental. There are often good reasons to suggest a mechanic we all already know that it will work. The main problem is that the devs conseqently reject every idea that is know from ps1. Also if they have no better alternatives. By the way, i am not dogmatic. I am open for every idea. This game shouldnt be like ps1. It should be way better. But atm there are a lot of problems without a proper solution and the game is already 3 months after release. Maybe it is time to get rid of experiments and implement something wr know it will work.

Ah, but no one, at least no one of relevance, has stated that because something was to be found in Planetside 1 it should therefore not be included in Planetside 2.
Should be noted that just because something worked in Planetside 1 doesn't mean that it will work in Planetside 2, no harm in the devs discussing and trying it out though.
Oh, they do not reject every idea that stems from Planetside 1, that's just false.
Aye, the game does still suffer from a lot of issues, some of the solutions might indeed be found in the original but make no mistake anything taken from the original and put into the sequel would be an expriment in on itself. A precedent isn't an universal constant truth.

Originally Posted by Ironside

Hamma by all means make your point but to try and bully someone into submission because you don't like their posts/point of view is wrong, look at your critical video you made a few weeks ago, lots of references in that about ps1.

Whether the devs like it or not ps1 did exist and did a lot of things better than this bastardized PS/BF offering and the community will point this out.

Not what this is about.

Aye, there will be some that point that out, there will be those who partially agree and there will be those that disagree. All of these aforementioned people make up the community here, not just one group.