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View Poll Results: Do you like the new fixed turret on the Magrider? | |||
I play as VS and like the new fixed turret |
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7 | 17.95% |
I play as VS and prefer a swivel turret like the NC and TR |
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11 | 28.21% |
I play as VS and prefer a swivel top and a tank that's more similar to the NC and TR |
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1 | 2.56% |
I don't play as the VS and like the new fixed turret |
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8 | 20.51% |
I don't play as the VS and prefer a swivel turret like the NC and TR |
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5 | 12.82% |
I don't play as VS and prefer a swivel top and a tank that's more similar to the NC and TR |
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1 | 2.56% |
Other opinion |
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6 | 15.38% |
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll |
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[Ignore Me] #16 | ||
PSU Admin
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I agree with Malorn on this.
In my opinion the original Mag Rider had no real weakness. It had all the benefits of other tanks AND it could move sideways, and over water. Not even mentioning the lack of a firing arc. Making the gun fixed makes sense to me from a balance perspective - that way it has at least one small weakness. |
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[Ignore Me] #17 | |||
I always thought the driver's gun was more a trap than anything else. "You're armed! You don't really need a gunner. Go on, you'll be fine... >dies<". The only thing it was really good for was letting the gunner know there was something to shoot at in front of the tank. Now what the magrider had going for it was good stuff, don't get me wrong. VERY accurate main gun, even at 100+ meters when aiming at other tanks. Hovering over water during bridge battles was HUGE, but it only mattered during those battles. Other than that, it just shortened trips on some continents (which came in handy for the odd LLU run, lemme tell ya). I was also part of an NC outfit for a long time. Came to love that big 150mm main gun on the Vanguard. And I knew to switch to the 20mm cannons when a Magrider was over water... lower DPS beats the hell out of zero DPS. So if the mag rider in PS2 has a fixed main gun, that's actually kind of a limitation. The speed the barrel can traverse will be limited to the tank's turning speed (which I suspect will be relatively slow, though perhaps faster than the other empires' MBTs, if only because the main gun is fixed). It'll make it that much easier to get out of its line of fire. The strategy will be: get close, run in circles, blast the stuffing out of it. And THAT is when you'll want a secondary gunner. No secondary will mean no weapon with a 360 field of fire, which means infantry will eat you alive... particularly if they do locational damage such that attacks from the rear hurt more (and I believe that's the plan). Ditto for air. A fixed ground weapon is all but useless against aircraft. A secondary gunner means the first reaver that comes along doesn't get a free tank kill. I'm starting to think the gunner seat will be pretty important. And I like it. |
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[Ignore Me] #18 | ||
Contributor PlanetSide 2
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Damage and the effectiveness of the secondary guns are irrelevant to the topic of fixed position of the driver's gun. BF2142 had a fixed main gun, tank worked great. PS1 also had a fixed driver gun that worked fine also.
Whether it has effective secondary guns or the damage of the main gun are completely orthogonal discussions. |
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[Ignore Me] #19 | ||||
Colonel
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It was actually kind of lame. The Magrider driver gun didn't really do much. It was really only effective against infantry so it only barely helped when chasing down other tanks.
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[Ignore Me] #20 | ||
Master Sergeant
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The magrider driver gun of PS1 is to be ignored unless in extremely close quarters. If you are driving your magrider correctly, you shouldn't be in close anyway considering you have the weakest armor for a tank, the fastest speed and the best distance weapon.
I remember pretty well that the a lot of the VS didn't grasp this concept too good and got spanked in standup fights to my prowler. When the TR sanc locked the VS one time and we got magriders....oh boy. We had the best DPS tank of the game and the distance shooter. We ran columns containing both tanks and didn't lose very much until the vehicle benefit was gone. |
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[Ignore Me] #21 | ||
Lieutenant Colonel
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I disagree with your assessment. The PPC (I think it was) was too squirelly to be kept on target and pitifully weak. It couldn't hurt anything slow enough to track and couldn't track anything small enough to hurt. It mostly functioned as a device to distract drivers so they'd get themselves in over their head and die.
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[Ignore Me] #22 | |||
Brigadier General
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I'm not going to like everything about the game. Like Led Zepplin wrote songs that not everyone liked, they left that to the Beegees. |
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[Ignore Me] #25 | |||||
Contributor PlanetSide 2
Game Designer |
Squirrelliness and tracking speed are adjustable characteristics of the vehicle that can be easily tweaked to get the control to feel right. I agree that it did not feel right on the magrider. The position was too low on the vehicle and the vertical speed was much too quick compared to the horizontal turning speed (they needed to be similar). But that is stuff they can easily tweak to make the vehicle handle better and feel more natural. None of these are evidence that a fixed gun is a bad design idea, only that the magrider had issues with its gun in PS1 having poor handling and weak damage. Both of these are easy to correct.
But given the decision to have a main gun in the driver, and the decision to have the magrider a strafing tank are opposing conditions. One of them has to give. So the real 'poll' in this thread should be not whether it is on a turret or not but quite simply whether you would prefer strafing w/ fixed turret or prefer no strafing with a turret. I would argue that the magrider wouldn't really make sense without strafing. It's the biggest feature from the other tanks. NC use rail-gun and magnetic technology so the no-arc fast moving projectile isn't even distinctly Vanu. Only the hovering/strafing aspect is VS-specific. Without it I think the magrider loses its Vanu feel.
From the rest of your statements it just seems as though you didn't like the design of the magrider at all. I think a lot of VS players will disagree with you. The lack of firing arc was an advantage against many targets, and the projectile speed was very fast, which made it king in long-range tank engagements. I also knew many mag gunners that could hit aircraft with that thing quite reliably. Add in superior speed and maneuverability and you have the best general-purpose tank in Planetside. Vanguard and Prowler were better for things like camping doorways but whatever... |
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[Ignore Me] #27 | ||
First Lieutenant
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Seriously? I cant believe you guys even think the idea of bfr style tanks is a good idea. This is just idiotic. We need real tanks, with SEPERATE PILOT AND GUNNER AND WITH A FREAKIN TURRET!!!
Just put a tank turret on it. Then put a gunner on it and let the pilot...you know....pilot. Wtf is goin on here, this is a team based game and we are gettin these completely stupid solo kill whore crap vehicles. I want my planetside vehicles back! Yeah if you leave this crap style of tank in game, then sure its fine fixed if the hover is the same speed sideways/backwards as forwards, since it hovers. But the real issue is that we even have this awful massive design change in the first place.
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Waiting for the return of the superior, real PS style teamwork oriented vehicles with drivers not gunning, and in fixed vehicle slots so we can once again have real, epic, vehicle battles where the tanks actually move in combat rather than a silly 1700's era line up and shoot. |
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[Ignore Me] #28 | ||
Colonel
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2 Things on the Magrider;
1) The damage on the Rail Cannon was the tradeoff for its no-arc, fast moving projectile. It was pretty bad. You needed 3 direct hits on infantry to kill them, and if you and another MBT got in a fight, each hitting every shot, the Magrider wouldn't win. It's meant to be used at range, away from the hard-hitting shells. 2) Fixed main gun is a no-no. This situation took me 10 seconds to think of. Once in a while, you'd be running away from another tank or something dangerous while it was shooting at you in a close chase. Your Mag gunner might be able to fend them off or kill them before they kill you, but if the driver is in control of that gun, then it CANNOT be a fixed gun. It would have a great disadvantage to the other tanks whereas they can go full speed forward and shoot behind them, and the Magrider would have nothing to do but keep going and hoping you won't die. Also, what BorisBlade said. Last edited by Zulthus; 2011-09-20 at 06:19 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #29 | ||
Brigadier General
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As I've said before, I simply don't like the idea. However, I have thought of 1 major reason why you won't see very many solo tanks, and that reason is me, or more accurately Reaver pilots.
I'll be in my Reaver looking for tanks, and any time in PS1 that I see a Mag with no gunner, or a Prowler with no chain gunner I lick my chops and slow down for a nice relaxing easy kill. So I guess I'm saying that we will probably not be seeing as many solo tanks as we may think, just as we don't see many solo Mags in PS1 because Reavers and Libs keep them in check. |
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[Ignore Me] #30 | |||
![]() And the organized folks with the nicely specced secondaries with actual gunners will do Just Fine. |
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