Phoenix

[Madcow]

After the balance pass on AV weapons the complaining has gone down about the Striker and to a lesser degree the Lancer (the only real complaints there were about it's effectiveness against soft targets). As I've been playing VS MAXs lately, I've had an opportunity to see the other side of the Striker and even in battle I pay little attention to the missile locks as it will take a while to gun me down like that. I do try to time jump jetting to get the Striker missile to fly past, but not much beyond that and trying to break the lock.

I have to say after all of the balance passing that the Phoenix now holds an interesting position as the top of the heap in AV. I rarely get cooked by Decimators, but the Phoenix seems to take me down more than it's fair share of the time. It's not a good weapon in every situation, but in base assaults it's just about perfect. The scenario goes like this: The VS hold a base, I spawn in and get my MAX armor. I walk out the door to the base into our 'safe' courtyard. A Phoenix missile comes over the wall and hits me before I'm really out the door. 400 armor left. Now the missile user knows where I am and another missile is on the way. I quickly duck behind cover and the next missile misses me, but he has seen me as he flew past and knows where I'm hiding. I make my way to the next hiding spot, if I time it wrong I'm hit again. 150 armor left. I jump jet to the wall to make sure I'm as far as possible from where he last saw me and somebody else's Phoenix happens to be skirting the top of the wall and hits me. Dead.

A good Phoenix user can stand at a distance from a base during an assault and use these things non-stop with few misses (I'm looking at you Ananomaly, and I hate you). If it's a big zerg, it's near impossible to make it far enough out of the base to take them out. I actually got the infil suit cert specifically on my VS char to try and sneak out and AMP Phoenix users while they're standing blind.

By the way, this isn't meant to bitch about Phoenix strength. I'm not concerned about it being overly powerful, I'm just impressed that it became the most effective AV weapon so 'quietly'.

[Spee]

Oh, I love, and still do love the phoenix. In bio lab assaults I used to fire missiles up, see the gen door open fly it around the console and into the gen



Sniper missile!

[Doppler]

My biggest complaint witht he phoenix, and indeed all of AV is the ammo issues. Yes were effective against maxs (not so much inside with the phoenix) but against tanks, turrents and hard targets it is space prohibative to carry enough ammo to do anything more then scratch targets. Thats where the phoenix takes a nose dive in usefullness. A phoenix carries less killing power in the same number of ammobox's (plus whats in the clip) then any of the empire AV weapons. My other complaint about the phoneix is if i'm in standard arming up to stop a max camping the spawns and I pull a deci out i'm good to go, the Phoenix 1 missile is more or less useless. What i'd like to see is either bolt action on it, or a mess ammo pouch along the side like i use for my hunting shotgun. Thats just me though.

[Biohazzard56]

I personally think phoenix sucks

[Incompetent]

The only thing I really hate about the Phoenix is that people actually complain about it. When you really think about it, the Nix is handheld artillery, nothing less, and yet people still bitch about it because it can't go head to head with a MAX. How can they justify complaining about the only weapon in the game that can reliably kill outside of your line of sight for no better reason then it doesn't stand in as a decimator as well.

Everytime someone mentions Phoenix I always think they're talking to me..

[NoSurrender]

I used to love it but got tired of it and decimators stealing my kills. Madcow do u have any idea on emereld how many maxes the VS have? There is a isane amount of VS maxes. I'd bet that they have more than the TR and NC put together. Yes both TR and NC use maxes but it seems with the VS that every other person has a max. Srry i offend you or anything im just tired of gettin killed by Vs maxes on my HOMECONTS!!!

[Madcow]

Doesn't offend me, Emerald and Werner are the only servers I don't play on. If there's that many VS MAXs, how can you not cert in the Phoenix? Stand on the other side of a hill and watch your kills rack up as there isn't much that can hurt you.

As for the power of the Phoenix, in a way I agree. It's the same with the AV MAX suits though. Planetside seems built to make sure you need a boatload of anything to hurt a vehicle. Any of the AV MAXs will have big problems with anything but the smallest vehicles unless there's a lot more damage being done than just what the MAX is bringing. 3 shots to kill a MAX is pretty darned powerful, especially when you're good at shooting that thing. Did I mention that I hate Ananomaly?

[Rbstr]

Teh peonix pwns yous guys!

Yeah i always said the pheonix has its potential. but i think it could use a little more speed of reloading so i could be used indoors regularly, not the special case dumb alone maxes.

But it needs a bump against TAnks and the like, NO change to max damage thouhg (if thats possible)

[JetRaiden]

it needs a 2-missle clip. thats all.

[BadAsh]

The primary strength of the Phoenix is not in stopping power per shot. It�s about the ability to strike targets that are initially out of sight of the shooter. This is extremely powerful!

During a siege of a base with vehicle terminals open in the court yard just get yourself a AMS (for reloading) and a Phoenix. Then park the AMS on the far side of a mountain over looking the base and pound the vehicle terminal. With the Phoenix a single player can deny the entire enemy force the use of vehicles for the duration of a siege.

The only genuine complaint that the NC have is this is the ONLY weapon in their arsenal that requires a little thinking and finesse to use to it�s full potential. So it does not fit with the NC creed. You can�t just walk in with overwhelming brute force and obliterate your opponents with little or no skill/effort like with other NC gear (Gauss � best MA, Jack Hammer � best HA, Vanguard � best Tank, etc).

NC has the best AV, but apparently it�s not good enough until it�s a 30 shot fully automatic Decimator with radar locking capability.

BadAsh

P.S. If you noticed some sarcasm there your spidy sense is right. I just like giving the NC some crap.

[bryan25]

What do u set your mouse settings,sensitivities to get the most turning campability out of your Pheonix?

[Kikinchikin]

i used striker for a long long time. I got about 500 max kills from like july to september. Then i went cloaker, they nerfed it i went back to grunt and got SA. in only 2 or so weeks of casual playing as a grunt i have at least 75 max kills with deci.

bottom line
pre BP- striker > all
post BP- Deci>all

[WritheNC]

I love the Phoenix. I'm never uncerting AV.

Its just too versatile; even when a max is shooting at you, if you are medium distance away all you have to do is walk behind a tree and shoot around it. What's he gonna do? Go into run mode?

Also, its good when you see the lights on vehicles flicker, and they're trying to get back behind the base wall to repair, you can snipe them.

Its the only AV that can circumvent a shield module while being on level ground with a base.

[Koopa]

Bah. Pheonix sucks, compared to the Striker and Lancer, primarily Lancer. A weak missile that comes in clips of 1. Eh? Plus, since the Pheonix missile guide takes so wide turns, it's kind of hard to guide it.