How many rednecks can you fit on a wrangler?

[Peacemaker]

One gives us drunkards the idea....


3

4

.... Im going to need more rednecks.

God I love being a hick.

[Infernus]

Answer: Surely, not enough.

By the way, the Confederacy is dead, quite dead. They lost the war that they started, got their asses handed to them in the end (just ask any one from Georgia). Even their money isn't worth anything as a collectors item.

[Peacemaker]

Oh we know that. Its just the spirit of rebels. Besides, with the way Bush is going half the people I know sorta want to rebel and end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence. I honestly believe the same thing, the current government is starting to fail. Its becoming too common place to just stagnate on something for years and years. Decisions have to made quickly sometimes. Our government is anything but quick.

In my eyes the flag represents everything American. Free speech being way the hell up there. The freedom to live by what you believe in (no not racism). It no longer symbolizes the Confederation. It represents the mind set of a people, that being that the way our country is, is absolutely revolting. Revolting in the way drugs rule the streets instead of the cops. Revolting how murder, rape, and, theft are statistics instead of atrocities in a broad view. Also in my opinion revolting that people are judged and segregated based on religion, race, and sexual orientation.

Yes! You read it here. I am NOT racist. I hate racists. Racists are arrogant. Racists are *******. The word ****** means arrogant. Thats how I use it.

Anyways.... back to the subject at hand. The flag isn't a symbol of the South or Slavery for everyone. For some, such as my self, its a symbol of America.

[Infernus]

I fully agree, but 9 out of 10 people that fly that flag don't think that way.

[Derfud]

Why revolt with an election coming up so soon?

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by Peacemaker

end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence.

The declaration of independence doesn't actually give us any rights.


Anywho: The flag is still a symbol of oppression. You can't just take that away.
Just like the swastika - just becasue you want it to mean something else doesn't mean it's going to.

I understand your point, but the flag still carries it's racist symbolism with our collective psyche.

[Infernus]

Originally Posted by Derfud

Why revolt with an election coming up so soon?

Because the democrats don't have a snowflake's chance in hell of winning.

And moderate republicans have about the same odds for getting nominated.

Personally (and yes, this may well be the apocalypse) I'm supporting Ron Paul (R - Texas). He has a good stand on most of the issues that matter to me, and isn't a right wing nut job. Unfortunately, it'll never happen, as I said, he's not a right wing nut job.

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by Infernus

Because the democrats don't have a snowflake's chance in hell of winning.

And moderate republicans have about the same odds for getting nominated.

Personally (and yes, this may well be the apocalypse) I'm supporting Ron Paul (R - Texas). He has a good stand on most of the issues that matter to me, and isn't a right wing nut job. Unfortunately, it'll never happen, as I said, he's not a right wing nut job.

There are two words that should make you not support him, or gravell(the other internet favorite):
Fair Tax.

A regressive tax is not what you want to base a progressive tax system on.

[Infernus]

Yeah, but from my point of view, no one is better.

You have Clinton and Obama on one side and "The Hero of New York" on the other. The entire thing makes me sick, and I at least have some closure in that the candidate I'm supporting is the best candidate from my point of view.

It's the lesser of two evils, seems to be a going theme recently.

[Hamma]

Pretty much the lesser of evils sadly..

We are fucked either way. :\

[Rbstr]

I personally like Obama.

He's a very smart guy, and he's at least good at pretending he's different from the standard fair candidate.

I wish he'd find a backbone and come out stronger against special interests and the war.

I can't support hillary, even though I quite like Bill, she's a bitch, TBH.

[Peacemaker]

Obama? The guy has like zero political experience. Its like he fell out of the sky, decided he was the only educated black man on the planet and screamed "I SHALL BE PRESIDENT!" and some retard thought it was a good idea.

Im really getting sick of all these shitty candidates. In 1776 look at all those great leaders we had in the country. Now 235 years later we have oooh idk 200x the population but we cant find ONE good leader? Wtf?

[Giovanni]

0 political experience?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Read...

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by Peacemaker

Im really getting sick of all these shitty candidates. In 1776 look at all those great leaders we had in the country. Now 235 years later we have oooh idk 200x the population but we cant find ONE good leader? Wtf?

That's simply not that case. Our leaders of old have been idealized to a very very large extent.

[Infernus]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

That's simply not that case. Our leaders of old have been idealized to a very very large extent.

Indeed. Most of them were business men, trying to protect business interests, not politicians. And all of them made mistakes.

And Obama presidency is a pipe-dream. To say that he has no political background is totally outrageous; his 2004 DNC keynote was amazing, and I throughly enjoyed it. But he has a lot against him.

• Tradition - The last Junior Senator to win a presidential election was JFK. He was also the last senator (period) to win a presidential election. He also came from a very strong political family, and had extremely strong connections (including, but not limited to: the Roosevelt family, former president Truman, and Senator Joseph McCarthy). All of this was combined with a proven strength in history - Profiles in Courage won a 1957 Pulitzer Prize, as well as charisma with both young and old voters.
• Race - Like it or not, when it comes right down to it racism still exists. And Barack Obama is quite black.
• The Democratic Party - The Democratic party is virtually destroyed, there is no cohesion and they continue to find ways to alienate voters by taking more and more radical stances. Their other candidates, no matter how much they may be disliked are also bigger names with the man on the street. EVERYONE knows who Hillary Clinton is, NOT EVERYONE knows that she's a huge bitch.
• The Republican Party - The Republicans, although they may not hold a majority in the congress, still hold an ideological majority with the American people. More Americans sympathize with moderate-conservative ideology than they sympathize with the radical-liberal ideology that most democrats spews. (For fuck sake, I sympathize more with conservative ideology than I do with most democrats.) Also, the Republicans know how to campaign. They go totally radical to get their nominations and then they move to the center to get the presidency and then they go totally radical again. (The democrats stay basically radical). Also, the Democrats don't seem nearly as grown up as the Republicans, which has a large effect on public perception.

I'm not saying I will support the Republican party if some idiot like Giuliani gets the nomination, but I most definitely would support McCain or Paul over the likely Democratic contester (who will undoubtably be a total radical with the way that party leadership works).

And before someone says that "Democrats have a better sense of the world," don't be stupid. The average Democrat man on the street cares about the same amount as the average Republican man on the street. If you believe, for a second, that most voters care about the actual issues, then you need a reality check. Most voters only care about whether the man they are voting for is an elephant or an ass.

EDIT: Paul has one thing going for him that I like best, he may be registered Republican but he is essentially Libertarian. He takes an excellent stand on the biggest issue I care about. He won't have me running around yelling about being gay and forcing it down other people's throats. At the same time, while he personally is against it, he doesn't believe it is the right of the government to rule on the issue. Unfortunately for me, 9 out 10 ******* run around wearing leather and carrying rainbow flags and make me want to puke.