I want feedback on this computer spec. Orderring tonight!

[Drex]

Here's what I put together at www.micropro.com

SILVER Service Plan (3 Years Labor, 1 Year Parts).
Enermax CSX3171LS Black Tower Case 350W P.S..
Asus A7N8X nForce2 SPP/MCP DDR266/333 USB 2.0 AGP8X Audio .
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton" (333MHz FSB).
Coolermaster CP5-6J31C CPU Fan.
512MB Corsair PC3200 DDR400 CMX512-3200C2.
ALPS DF354H 3.5" Black Floppy Disk Drive.
40GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA/100 WD400BB.
32x10x40x12x DVD-ROM/CD-RW Black, Toshiba.
Chaintech GeForce4 Ti4800SE 128MB, Retail.
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition.
Chicony KB-2961 Keyboard PS-2, Black.

This is costing me $1007 with shipping included. Is this a good deal? Everything is compatible right?

*edit* - Another question, would it be worth waiting another few weeks/month to order this? Would the price go down very much on any of the parts that would make it worth the wait?

[Trebor95]

looks ok, however I would suggest a beefier heatsink, a Thermalright SLK800? or SK-6/7?

you could go for cheaper Ram like Twinmos unless you are a hardcore overclocker? I wouldn't go for the Geforce imo, a Radeon 9700/Pro is a much better option and will compliment the rest of the system much more.

Motherboard is ok, ASUS are very good, although that model is a little dated, but as they say ... tried and tested tends to be more stable, you wont need the Corsair ram anyway asthat mother board only supports PC2700 at stock anyway

but all in all that setup looks excellent, it will be upgradeable, if I had to change one thing I would change the gfx card, a Radeon 9700 PRO will last much longer than the Geforce (in terms of running future games)

HTH

[Zatrais]

You don't want a Barton core, they perform overally worse than the thoroughbreed....

And heres what you want motherboard wise: The a7n8x running 512 (or more) MB corsaires CL2 333mhz (pc 2700, DAMN i HATE that system) whit a xp2700 thoroughbreed. Reason: You want the ram and cpu to run at the same speed for synchronious transfer rates whit dual band DDR for optimal performance.

And a 9700 pro if you can afford one hehe.

edit: and oh yea, you might want a 400W+ PSU.. 350 won't cut it much longer.

[Drex]

Ok how is this setup instead? I downgraded the Barton 2500 to a regular Athlon 2400. Downgraded the ram from pc3200 to pc2700 and upgraded the video card to a 9700. This totals $1100, so for $100 more is this a better setup?

SILVER Service Plan (3 Years Labor, 1 Year Parts).
Enermax CSX3171LS Black Tower Case 350W P.S..
Asus A7N8X nForce2 SPP/MCP DDR266/333 USB 2.0 AGP8X Audio .
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ (266MHz FSB).
Coolermaster CP5-6J31C CPU Fan.
512MB Corsair PC2700 DDR333 CMX512-2700C2.
ALPS DF354H 3.5" Black Floppy Disk Drive.
40GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA/100 WD400BB.
32x10x40x12x DVD-ROM/CD-RW Black, Toshiba.
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO 128MB, 8X AGP, Retail.
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition.
Chicony KB-2961 Keyboard PS-2, Black.

I could also get a Tyan Tachyon G9700 Pro-M 128DDR video card for the same price ($366) as the ATI...Which is better Tyan or ATI?

And also I dont have the option for a better heatsink but that case has 5 fans on it already. That good enough?


My other option is to stick with the GeForce 4 card mentioned above and upgrade to the Athlon 2600 (not barton) and also downgrade to pc2700 DDR...I do not want to spend more than $1100 for this.

Thanks for the feedback by the way, keep it coming as I want to order this when I get home from work tonight!

[Zatrais]

Thats a better setup yeah, you'd want a xp 2700 for the best performance from your ram tho, the speeds would match then but if you can't afford the 2700 i'd go whit the setup you have there.

As for the cooling, you have plenty...

There shouldn't be anny difference between the 2 9700 pro's but i'll take a look at the Tachyon G9700 Pro-M 128DDR if you post a link to it.

[Trebor95]

i said need, zatrais didnt you could choose any CPU you wanted, they all perform great my personal choice would also be the 2700

all the XP2700 denotes is the equivalent clock speed a thunderbird has to be to equal the xp's performance, it has no reference to ram. what stepping is the CPU? the t-bred b's are much better than the a revision and run cooler.

ok, you have the XP2400, it will run at 166fsb, (266FSB DDR) and the PCI/AGP buses are locked on the nforce2 board. The multiplier will be multiplied by the fsb to give the clock speed.

also you would be better off in getting 2 separate sticks of ram to run them dual channel.

go for the cheapest Radeon, they are all the same spec and difference between brands are 1-2fps at most, they simply are not at all different as the geforce4's are.

you should really get a decent heatsink to keep temperatures reasonable, but try it with the default one first. those 5 fans are overkill, you only want 2-3 one in the front bottom drawing cold air in, one at the very top as a chimmney extracting hot air from the top of the case and one at the back below the PSU to extract warm air from the heatsink area.

[Zatrais]

where did i say need? i never said NEED....

however, for the BEST results on dual band DDR board you should match the ram and cpu bus speeds.

[Trebor95]

Originally posted by Zatrais
where did i say need? i never said NEED....

however, for the BEST results on dual band DDR board you should match the ram and cpu bus speeds.

sorry, you didnt say need, my bad

I agree you are best matching speeds, it's just it sounded that your previous post was saying that only an XP2700 would be suitable for best performance. Also 200FSB (400DDR) - I must leasrn to analyse

[SpacemanSpiff]

Alright Drex,

I'd have to agree with the advice Trebor and Zatrais are giving you. They definitely know what they're talking about.

Only (and this is my personal experience and research) - The "Barton" is great, and I have a 2500 "Barton" myself. You can check out www.tomshardware.com to check out some benchmarks that compare the Barton with the Thoroughbred, and, for the most part, the Barton shows a significant number of advantages in speed. With the 2500 Barton only going for about 170$ these days... you really won't go wrong with whatever Proc you end up choosing.. they're all good - but I went with the Barton myself, and I've been an AMD whore since AMD released the AMD K6 (321-pin PGA) chip, and that was quite some time ago.

Also, Zatrais is right about the Radeon 9700's differing insignificantly as far as brands are concerned. Although, you're getting the 9700 (which is what I have myself), here's a little factoid about the GeForce 4800 - it's simply the GeForce 4400 with 8x AGP... so, the GeForce 4600 is actually a better card than the 4800.. heh.

Anyway, be sure to go to pricewatch.com to see if there are other places that may have that rig for a better deal. It looks good so far though. I tend to do most of my shopping at newegg.com. Of course, I doubt you'd get the warranty there, so it's a toss-up.

[SpaceDrake]

TYAN, by the way. Tyan owns all your children.

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Awesome cooling. Booyah. Buy one now and spread the Love.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Tyan can cool, but can it dance?

Seriously, the benchmark differences between the standard ATI Radeon 9700 are insignificant... better off to save money and buy any decent OEM.

[OneManArmy]

I love these myths you guys throw around....

1. the man does not need a beefier cooling system unless he is going to over clock.

2. PC 2700 ram is the way to go. there is no improvement in 3200

3. yes, ram speed should equal proccesor speed (i.e if you have 333mhz ram get the CPU with the 333mhz fsb [2500+ and up I think]

4. Gfx card is a gfx card is a gfx card. (unless you're comparing two different types like Geforce vs Ati...

5. Dual channel ram will NOT give you any real world performance increase. (it only helps when everything is integrated)

now its time for my opinions...

go for the 9700 (or better yet PRO version)
get some CAS 2 latency PC2700 ram
get the 2500+ or better
get 512mb in one stick (allows for more ram later)
no real comment on the Power supply but just to let ya know I run similar to that machine on a 300w (though I do recommend going higher)


thank you for your time...
PS: i wasn't bashing anyone, I have much !

[SpacemanSpiff]

Here's some loving feedback.

Once everything is integrated... you will definitely see an improvement with dual integrated RAM.

Also, I'll have to piggyback on your comment of 2700 RAM - this is true, but even moreso than you said. There have been numerous benchmarks that show that a gamer will get even better fps on dual integrated 2700 RAM than on dual integrated 3200 or higher. Much love.

[OneManArmy]

1-2 fps don't count


It doesnt justify the money and taking up an extra slot where you could put more ram in later.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Not if you install TWO 512mb RAM Corsairs. Then you're just ahead of the pack.