It's not fun to be VS on Waterson.

[Assist]

Straight up, not fun. We either fight on Indar accomplishing nothing, ghost cap Amerish, or get steam rolled on Esamir. The highest pop we've had on Esamir/Amerish this week is 28%.
We don't get the choice to fight on Amerish or Esamir but maybe once a week, because for whatever reason all the bads in the game run to Indar. We don't have high enough world population to ever have more than one continent capped population.
I've played a lot the past few days and it's really been awful. We have no choice but Indar, because you cannot convince scrubs to leave Indar. Anyone have a good way to solve this?

Personally, we need a big zergfit to join VS on Waterson. It would help the server a ton because right now the VS are only on Indar and it's fucking awful for all sides because of it.

[basti]

You need a fix?


Form an alliance. Get a website + TS3 going, get other Outfits on board of your alliance, coordinate between each other, roll to Esamir and Amerish togeter, have a fun time.

[Assist]

Originally Posted by basti

You need a fix?


Form an alliance. Get a website + TS3 going, get other Outfits on board of your alliance, coordinate between each other, roll to Esamir and Amerish togeter, have a fun time.

We have a rather large alliance on our server, the VA - Vanu Alliance! They work together very well too, the problem is when they're not on doing ops we're just horribly outnumbered.

Even with them we're outnumbered, we're still not ever about 28% World pop. Usually we're around 25%

edit: And don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good outfits on VS Waterson and plenty of them try. Today for instance a few of us tried to get people on Amerish - We managed 11% pop! Then we tried to get on Esamir, and we're up to 26%. TR owns the continent, has the highest pop on the continent, and NC is camping our Warpgate with platoons in all three zones boarding the warpgate while TR pushes to the NC warpgate. This is nothing new unfortunately, for whatever reason the NC/TR on Waterson don't allow us to ever get started on Esamir or Amerish.

Currently we're at 24% World Pop for VS. On a Saturday night at primetime for the server.

[Falcon_br]

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.
Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.
The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.
Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.

[Rumblepit]

vs pop dropped alot after the magrider nerf and never really recovered . vs have it rough on alot of servers.

[Assist]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.
Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.
The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.
Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.

The truth is the VS are horribly outnumbered by both the TR and NC zerg. That's the only truth there is. There is no skill question anywhere involved. VS simply have no chance at all with the current population situation on Waterson. It has nothing to do with Jaeger, as it was like this before the merge. The VS owned Indar for the first 2 months of the game on Waterson because the NC had the same population as us and the TR were ~44% nightly. Now the NC are as much if not more than the TR, while the VS has continued to lose population.

The truth is, players do not want to play VS because there is nothing we are good at compared to the other two factions. That's the truth.
Waterson is going to get worse before it gets better too, because people are beginning to talk about moving their outfits to another server. It's very easy to switch servers and still play the same faction right now, all you lose is your certs.

I'm a player that generally enjoys being the underdog on the server, I always have in games I play. But we're not the underdog right now, because the underdog usually has a chance. We have no chance with the way this game is setup.

I get that some of you think I'm overstating the situation, but I'd like you to come play VS on Waterson and attempt to play on another continent for a bit. The best we can manage is to get a bio farm going.

[Artimus]

Shit, you guys are still doing better then the NC.just logged off and we had second highest pop next to the tr and we basically got kicked off indar courtesy of the VS and were struggling to cap esamier.

[EvilNinjadude]

Simply put: TR has a ton of outfits, NC has a ton of outfits (including frickin' DVS) and the Vanu have... some parts of small outfits. I've never had a death streak from VS in the same outfit.

Esamir is being held most often by TR, because we like the vehicle bonus. It's my favorite continent. If you see me around our WG defending our zones, right down to Jaeger's Crossing, feel free to shoot me if you're not TR! Chances are my PC has lagged out to one degree or another.

[Kerrec]

Dunno, last few ops, I've had to wait in the queue to get onto esamir/amerish and the continents were even at 33/33/32. I thought things were getting better for the VS?

Maybe we play at different times...

[Ghoest9]

Originally Posted by Assist

The VS owned Indar for the first 2 months of the game on Waterson because the NC had the same population as us and the TR were ~44% nightly. Now the NC are as much if not more than the TR, while the VS has continued to lose population.

The truth is, players do not want to play VS because there is nothing we are good at compared to the other two factions. That's the truth.
Waterson is going to get worse before it gets better too, because people are beginning to talk about moving their outfits to another server. It's very easy to switch servers and still play the same faction right now, all you lose is your certs.

.

Back when you had the good warp gate and NC had the bad one, and NC was getting bit by the flinch code - all I heard from VS brargs about how awesome they were.

So I feel NO sympathy for you.


That said the reason you have bad numbers now and NC has good numbers is simple.

Now that the playing field is even - American boys dont want to wear purple but they love "Merica Fuck Ya."
Just like PS1

[EvilNinjadude]

Yeah, yesterday was the first time I saw a queue for Esamir.

But I don't like massive fights. My PC sucks too much for me to be able to handle them. What I AM good at is attacking and defending in small groups. SMGfiltrator and tactics ftw.

Also, I find the accusation that not enough people play VS to be ridiculous. If it weren't for statistics, I'd say the opposite is true. What's the average VS pop look like for different servers?

[Jaybonaut]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

vs pop dropped alot after the magrider nerf and never really recovered . vs have it rough on alot of servers.

This, although it has nothing to do with the Mag.

When the Genudine/Helios merge happened, it changed nothing. Genudine had a massive NC imbalance - one outfit alone (ADK) has over 2600 members, and then at night the odd Chinese outfit comes on who are also NC (3KDC) who boost a lot according to the stats here on PSU.

[Illtempered]

Assist, I agree with almost everything you say, save the part about it not being fun. We're still having a blast, especially during the times when we're working with other commanders, like yourself, or the VA. We just need to find a niche, a home, *cough* Amerish, to call our own. Then we need to defend it. When we owned Indar, we had a focused purpose. That's all we lack, and tbth it will all fall into place. We, as an empire, have just been lazy. There are a lot of good teamplayers on Waterson VS, more per-capita than most servers.

[Bear]

Personally, I'm really sick of fighting DVS and DREV. I'd love the opportunity to fight some VS. IR isn't a zerg outfit, we're just a bunch of guys looking for a good fight but sometimes I wish we were another faction because of the stupid amount of TR and NC that exist on Waterson.

Honestly, I'm thinking another server merge might be necessary.

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Assist

This is nothing new unfortunately, for whatever reason the NC/TR on Waterson don't allow us to ever get started on Esamir or Amerish.

Hey it isn't our fault that we got the Wedged Gate on both Continents!
We TR just want to keep our damn bonuses, but the NC Zergs constantly have us on the back foot.
The only time I ever see Vanu on Esamir is when they are working parallel to the NC to gate lock us and screw us over.

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.

Welcome to Waterson, home of the Blue Hoard known as the DVS...

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.

To be fair, this is probably more a sign of the VA's skill, since they've always been a bit low end of world population even before the merge...

They might not have the numbers to steam roll but damn they make use of what they got.

Waterson TR Command Chat, on the other hand, is 1/2 to 2/3 full of idiots who don't know any other tactic besides "THROW MOAR MEN AT IT!"
...That's if they aren't trolls telling everyone to go to the Crown...

Really certing into Command Chat is just a headache waiting to happen, so most competent field commanders just stick with their our Outfits.

...Probably why the top of our Server's Outfit Leader-board is filled with two-squad jobs.

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.

Yeah, I just check the Outfit Leader-board for Waterson and it isn't even funny...

Biggest Outfits for both the TR and VS have around 1000 members each...

The DVS ALONE has just about twice that, then next biggest is also an NC Outfit and has 1400+...

This is especially hilarious when they call us TR out on our "Celebrity Zergfits," Glorious Leader Total Cynical British Halibit Biscut's first Outfit, Let the Brit Drop, has only 170-ish members.

My own Angry Joe Army is probably the biggest I know of with 300+, and a third of that are Angry Joe fanboys who haven't logged on since Christmas.

As for the Bio Labs?
Yeah, that's the DVS for you...
...Fuckers sat on the Campest Grinds for weeks just so they could get entire PLATOONS of Duel ScatterMAXes to rush points with...

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.

Well this is probably less an actual truce as it is a symptom of Battlefield Momentum...
Right now, the easiest order the DVS can give is "Push North," as they hold a Southern Gate on all three Continents.
It's actually quite brilliant in its cat herding simplicity; since the Zerg will flow around any point of resistance, once they clash with their TR counterpart on Esamir they'll naturally flow Eastward to cut off any VS pushes South.
This also ties up the majority of TR in stonewalling our Southern Front, which leaves us vulnerable to VS incursion from the East.
Not only is it a strong move for the Vanu to make Offensively, Defensively they need to send their Zerg Southwest to stem the oncoming blue tide to have any hope of pushing South.

It's even simpler on Amerish, going straight up the middle is the path of least resistance for the Southern Gate, the Central Mountain providing not only a strong position to defend from but also a foothold to latitudinally push from to cut off any Fronts advancing along the shores.

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.

Again, that's the Vanu Alliance, also know as GOD DAMN I WISH WE HAD YOUR COORDINATION!!!