Another blow in the so called war on terror

�io · 2002-12-20, 02:55 AM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...migration_dc_4

How a small group of freaks turned a country to this is beyond my understanding. Yeah the 9/11 psychos were from the middle east, does that mean that everyone of them is a terrorist? I thought it was "innocent until proven guilty" in civilized countries...doesn't seem like it anymore.

Navaron · 2002-12-20, 03:09 AM

Yeah I read that this morning. How is that not entrapment? I have to say, it is different than the camps for Japanese in WW2, these arabs were all illegal. They *did* break the law, so it's not like they just grabbed every middle eastern looking person and threw them in jail. I'm curious though, if I were an illegal immigrant, I wouldn't go near anything government sponsered.

�io · 2002-12-20, 03:17 AM

That's because most likely they weren't all breaking the law but simply got caught in the whole "middle east = bad" thing. I'm sure quite a few were indeed illegal immigrants but does that warrant the need for arrests and treating them like animals?

Oh and they did pretty much grab every middle eastern person and throw them in jail. Or did i misread it? Maybe there was some Cubans or Asians in there.

Navaron · 2002-12-20, 03:29 AM

I'm pretty sure they got all of the males over 18 on that new law. If you are from one of 20 countries (it's not ethnicity based) and you have overstayed your visa you have to register with the INS, so they know who is where. None of those guys did. From what I understand, the penalty can be prison time and fines and exportation, but it looks like these guys are all getting a slap on the wrist, unless they find someone they want. It beats what they'd do to you anywhere else in the world.

BLuE_ZeRO · 2002-12-20, 05:31 AM

Yes technically everyone of them had broken the law. INS is really cracking down on border security and immigration.

Flashingfish · 2002-12-20, 08:50 AM

My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

What the hell is this? So much for America being the land of new beginnings ;x

Hamma · 2002-12-20, 10:21 AM

I saw this yesterday.

<- thats all I have to say

Unregistered · 2002-12-20, 01:27 PM

This is a bit of Irresponsible Journalism. The article fails to mention that everyone that was arrested were Illeagle Imagrints. That means that they have over stayed their visa's, and are in violation of the law.

In the United States, you are inocent until proven guilty, but they don't let criminals roam the streets while they are going to court. I don't see anything wrong with this, the INS is doing their job for once.

They round up 1000's of Mexicans, Aresset them, and Deport them every single day. Why aren't you crying about them? Where is the yahoo news article about them? Think about what your doing. Your trying to give Muslims, who as a people have commited numerous acts of terrorism against the U.S. more rights then you want to give Mexicans who haven't ever commited any terrorists acts against the U.S.

If those people belong here, they will get their paperwork fixed, and they will be let back out.

Arglaar · 2002-12-20, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
Mexicans who haven't ever commited any terrorists acts against the U.S.

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!!!!!!!

BLuE_ZeRO · 2002-12-20, 03:14 PM

lmfao

BTW the US can be the land of new beginnings but we're not letting the world's population into the country. We're especially not going to let them stay here illegally.

�io · 2002-12-20, 03:58 PM

Ok well i was hoping to have a serious debate like on the other forum from where i got this article but Hamma, FlashingFish and Zero are the only people who can admit the US was wrong so i'll forget about the debate here and just keep posting on the other forum.

Arglaar · 2002-12-20, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Dio
Ok well i was hoping to have a serious debate like on the other forum from where i got this article but Hamma, FlashingFish and Zero are the only people who can admit the US was wrong so i'll forget about the debate here and just keep posting on the other forum.

So it's only possible to have a serious discussion if people admit that the US was wrong?

Isn't that a little bit of a one-sided discussion then?

What about Unreg's dissenting remrks? don't they deserve discussion?

Hamma · 2002-12-20, 04:09 PM

Political Debate = lose

Unregistered · 2002-12-20, 04:10 PM

Then your not debating. Your trying to force your point of view on people that don't agree with you. The U.S. has done nothing wrong in detaing Illeagle Imagrints.

Contray to popular beleif the constitution does not protect illeagel imagrintas. They have no rights because they are not citizens. Do you see where you are backwards on this issue yet?

They came here on visas. They did not go through the propper channels to be allowed to stay, and the INS has picked them up. What again is the problem?

That's what I hate about librals/democrats. You all scream when "Racil Profiling!! Bush is a Nazi!!! We are doomed!!!" when something like this happens, but when something like 9/11 happens you all want to know "How did this happen? How did you allow such dangerous people into the country?"

Make up your minds. We can either arrest and detain people that are here illeagely to ensure that they are not terrorists. Or we can ignore all the warning signs, so we can be politically correct, and risk the lives of countless americans.

Which will it be?

�io · 2002-12-20, 04:16 PM

Ok so you guys are telling me you seriously believe hundreds of illegal immigrants were dumb enough to go report themselves and get arrested AND deserve to be locked in a room with 50 other people ?

Yeah probably most of them overstayed their visas but they weren't all evil psycho terrorists.

Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.

"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy,"

The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests

Lies!! All lies!!

The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.

Nope, no ethnic racism here.

Anyway i'm gonna refrain from posting after this because Hamma is right political debate = lost. But no matter what you guys says the stuff the US is doing is just making 9/11 a victory for the psychos who did it. The whole point of terrorists is to install fear into people and thanks to 9/11 the US is afraid of nearly anybody who isn't a born american (and even then), sure America might be safer now but you also lost a lot of freedoms and a lot of people live in fear, that just means the wackos won.