Your thoughts on the "Ammo" Patch? (2-18-4)

Biohazzard56 · 2004-02-18, 06:53 PM

Just a thread to post your feelings about the new patch:

Here are my options
The Phoenix is great now that i can carry 27 rounds and it keeps me in the field longer.
The Decimator to AV was a great choice IMO, i never used anything else but Deci when i had SA now.
Im (NC) and I dont see anything wrong with the Lasher, even though lots of people do on the OF.

Great Patch Devs!

Rbstr · 2004-02-18, 07:00 PM

I say good patch, but More AV damage would still be nice

Biohazzard56 · 2004-02-18, 07:03 PM

I love the Phoenix

/me huggles Phoenix

BadAsh · 2004-02-18, 07:09 PM

Problems with the Lasher? It was my understanding that they would get a modest buff in this patch with clip capacity going from 20 to 25 rounds and that the lashing effect would start immediately rather than at 10m as before.

Was this not done? Or was a "nerf bug" introduced with this minor buff?

Rbstr · 2004-02-18, 07:20 PM

no people are calling it over powered now

Spee · 2004-02-18, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

no people are calling it over powered now

Simply because every vanu and thier mother has picked it up and are firing it at everything.

Yes, jimmey. A lasher barrage from 10+ users WILL kill most things. Stop crying Nerf.

Rbstr · 2004-02-18, 07:39 PM

yeah, thats waht always happens right after a patch, everyone picks it up to see if they like it, so it becomes that weapons for killing that night.

its after about a week you can see if it is ballenced or not becasue the use goe back to normal

BadAsh · 2004-02-18, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Spee

Simply because every vanu and thier mother has picked it up and are firing it at everything.

Yes, jimmey. A lasher barrage from 10+ users WILL kill most things. Stop crying Nerf.

Probably so

I rather suspect that people complaining about the Lasher have never used it before. It's harder to kill with by far than the Jack or MCG. Besises by it's very name the Lasher is for spamming. In 1v1 fights the enemy used to just rush and then not have to deal with lashing damage. This happens to be optimal range for most weapons anyway particularly the other HA (Jack and MCG love "in your face" combat).

In a duel a freaking Punisher would win 4 out of 5 fights with a Lasher... try that against any other HA and it's the Punisher that gets punished... now with CQB lashing perhaps that will fare differently

Also, with other HA you have enough ammo to kill 2-3 opponents before having to reload. Upping the lasher clip size was a step in the right direction. Typically, if you have a lasher at short to meduim range it would take the whole clip to kill any opponent that was not standing completely still. The slow orbs are easy to avoid by side stepping. And with the Rexo buff, lashing damage is just not that effective against them so you need to score direct hits.

I'll be testing this weapon extensively when I get home tonight. I can't wait

Who, knows, after tonight I might be in love with all 3 HA

Oh, and the Jack needed it's mini-nerf. Sorry, but the quad-shot was lame. Also, you only needed 2 boxes of shells in your inventory where all other HA needed 4 or more just to kill the same amount of enemies, so that balance tweak was needed too.

Sounds like a fair patch to me.

Rbstr · 2004-02-18, 07:44 PM

I beg to differ the lasher kills very fast with direct hits, far before you can kill a rexo with a sweeper.

Buyt his change was needed, i'm not crying nerf.

Spee · 2004-02-18, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by BadAsh

It's harder to kill with by far than the Jack or MCG.

Id have to beg to differ. Maybe Im good with it or something, But I get FAR more kills/run then I do with the Jack/MCG.

One day i got 70 kills in about 90 mins of playing, and that was pre-buff. Lasher = pwnage.

BadAsh · 2004-02-18, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

I beg to differ the lasher kills very fast with direct hits, far before you can kill a rexo with a sweeper.

Buyt his change was needed, i'm not crying nerf.

I agree, the problem is with getting direct hits... Lasher Orbs = slow...

BadAsh · 2004-02-18, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Spee

Id have to beg to differ. Maybe Im good with it or something, But I get FAR more kills/run then I do with the Jack/MCG.

One day i got 70 kills in about 90 mins of playing, and that was pre-buff. Lasher = pwnage.

I agree here too. It strictly depends on how you use the weapon... if you are guarding or attacking down a hallway you will own. But, try fighting a surgile outside in the open... you have to be very good at leading and predicting where your target will move. The other HA just don't have to worry about those nearly as much.

I'm very good with the Lasher too

But, like with my TR character, I keep a locker with 16 Jacks for when you are in one of those "Can't beat the Jack" situations...

Black · 2004-02-18, 07:55 PM

i wish they would bring the MCG up 200 bullets

i run outa ammo all the time hehehe

Lithpope · 2004-02-18, 07:56 PM

All I can say is whooohooo!!!

I logged on and had 45!!!! get that 45 Striker rounds in my inventory. Holy crap, I can drop a box of Striker ammo now and put something else there, and STILL fire My Stiker like crazy. Gonna have to tweak my favorites to include my newly aquired Deci though. Also, not check my Maruader but, will do that when I get home. From what I have seen, a good patch.

BadAsh · 2004-02-18, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lithpope

All I can say is whooohooo!!!

I logged on and had 45!!!! get that 45 Striker rounds in my inventory. Holy crap, I can drop a box of Striker ammo now and put something else there, and STILL fire My Stiker like crazy. Gonna have to tweak my favorites to include my newly aquired Deci though. Also, not check my Maruader but, will do that when I get home. From what I have seen, a good patch.

I used to carry 40 striker rounds with one of my old builds

Rexo+2 Strikers+6 ammo boxes

Strictly a base wall defense build to help with AA.