selling vec weapons is p2w!

Mox · 2012-11-21, 12:57 PM

There is no excuse...

Selling vec weapons and also some of the major inf weapons (mcg, shotgun, launchers)is p2w.

I buy it anyway but soe has promised something else. They talked about only sellling sidegrades and cosmetics....

Thougts?

Crator · 2012-11-21, 12:59 PM

I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. They should be tied to battle rank imo.

PredatorFour · 2012-11-21, 01:03 PM

Did you not expect this ? When have SoE stuck with promises? Im sorry but im just not suprised by this.

Crator · 2012-11-21, 01:06 PM

Adding more to what I said in previous post: It's not technically P2W. But that's just using the wrong terminology. But they definitely are not side-grades imo. Hence why I said they should be tied to battle rank.

Kail · 2012-11-21, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mox

There is no excuse...

Selling vec weapons and also some of the major inf weapons (mcg, shotgun, launchers)is p2w.

I buy it anyway but soe has promised something else. They talked about only sellling sidegrades and cosmetics....

Thougts?

This weekend, when you die to weapon that needed to be unlocked (rocket pods, lasher, Dalton, etc), try and decide if the player either:

Unlocked it via certs
Bought it with SC
Is trying it out for 30min to see what it's like via the test option

Then, message that player and ask him/her. If you're right, tell him/her they need to take a shot. If you're wrong, you take a shot.

Raymac · 2012-11-21, 01:14 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, you can get them using cert points. So you don't have to spend a dime. Sure you can't unlock everything in 1 day, but this game is going to be around while and those cert points rack up pretty quickly. If you could ONLY get them using real money then I would say it's pay2win, but I don't think this is even close. Plus, it's not like they are orders of magnitude greater in power.

Shogun · 2012-11-21, 01:22 PM

such a stupid thread again...

it´s just a problem for the first weekend, after that it doesn´t matter at all!
it´s not pay to win because you can get all weapons without having to pay. no excuse for the whiners here. you want a weapon, play some hours and you can get it! without money.

and if every weapon was only available for certs it would be the exact same situation after a short time. new players cannot use all weapons, while veterans can use more weapons.
so where is the difference, if the guy who shot you bought his weapon, or played more than you to get it? he will kill you with this weapon all the same so shut up already...

Fear The Amish · 2012-11-21, 01:34 PM

ummm i unlocked with certs alone rocketpods last night... so yeah... not P2W at all....

Hamma · 2012-11-21, 01:38 PM

This topic has been beaten to death the past 1.5 years.

You can buy these items with BOTH cert points AND SC. If they have weapons in the game for SC only then it's P2W. As Shogun said it becomes a 100% non issue after a few days as well. Not to even mention trials.

VaderShake · 2012-11-21, 01:41 PM

I love the "Pay to Win" argument in a game where there is never a winner hahaha.

Bags · 2012-11-21, 01:50 PM

It's not pay to win, but you cannot deny that people who have cash to blow and are unlocking overpowered things like A2G missiles on day 1 aren't at a HUMONGOUS advantage over someone who doesn't spend a dime for a week or two.

And this is from someone with 16k station cash to blow.

Hamma · 2012-11-21, 04:04 PM

Not denying it.

Helwyr · 2012-11-21, 04:13 PM

Most of this discussion comes down to defining what "Pay to Win" means. I don't think anyone reasonable is going to dispute that it is 'pay to have an advantage over other players', sometimes this is a significant advantage. That to many is still a form of pay to win.

In my view this is not a black and white issue of the game either being Pay2Win or it not being. Planetside falls more into a sort of grey area and if it doesn't slide further on the scale towards Pay2Win I'm content with the status quo.

Anyway as Hamma said been beaten to death. SC is not going away from PS2, so not a lot of point discussing it further right now.

Electrofreak · 2012-11-21, 08:59 PM

I don't think it's pay to win. But I do wish that gaining battle rank meant more, and I'm not referring to gaining cert points.

PurpleOtter · 2012-11-21, 09:22 PM

Truth be told some one could unlock 1000's in SC and still not be nearly as effective as some one who has been playing in the Beta for weeks/months.