What I imagined with regards to tunnels and spawnrooms and generators...

[psijaka]

Originally Posted by Figment

Because who ever is in there is already outnumbered. It's their last stand in their base. They have nowhere left to hide and once down, it's over. There is no need to expedite the flushing out process.

At most the painfield should weaken a little bit.


More importantly, you don't want enemies to hang around inside the tube area and camp there if the defenders want to try to get the SCU back up.


Look at PS1, the only way to drop the basic painfield is to blow the gen. Before, there wasn't a painfield, you had enemies in MAX suits sitting there constantly preventing repairs to the tubes, which made it much harder for small groups to not only get the tubes back up, but to keep them clear from spawncamping. A lot more spawncamping occured back then.


In fact, I personally wouldn't mind the spawntubes becoming destructible again and the SCU just being the equivalent to "hacking the spawnroom doors open".

A painfield would ensure the tubes are blown and people don't hang around and camp, but also allows room for a spec ops team to try and retake it.

My only concern is that with a pain fiueld still in place a cunning defender could hide in a corner out of sight and we are back to spawn camping again. Better to drop the shields and the pain field, rush the spawn and get it over with; preventing the whole miserable business of spawn camping.

And I don't see that letting the attackers in would have any impact upon repairing the SCU, which is of course outside the spawn. Edit - and the shields & pain field would be restored if the defenders did manage to fix the SCU; any attackers camping in the spawn would be trapped in the painfield; a fitting end for them.

One further thing that I would suggest is that enemy mines, C4 etc inside the spawn room be disabled when the SCU is up and running. A lot of cheap kills being obtained at the moment this way when a base flips; pretty lame to lay mines in the spawn, and achieves nothing as they respawn there anyway. Something that I refrain from, I might add.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Whiteagle

OR you could hack it to reverse the pain-field, so you'd force them OUT of the Spawn room!
(...Or, you know, hack the shield doors and lock them in to die slow deaths...)

We both know those things would not provide good, but frustrating gameplay. >.>

Spawn areas should provide a degree of guaranteed safety to the spawnee, otherwise it isn't a spawn area, but a farm area.




@Psijaka: I think we have some fundemental differences in view there, the attacker holds the advantage over the spawn area at that point. There really aren't any areas you could hide in for long. I don't perceive that as a concern.

As for indoor mines... There's a good reason why most automatic combative CE in PS1 wasn't allowed to be deployed indoors, at all.

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Figment

As for indoor mines... There's a good reason why most automatic combative CE in PS1 wasn't allowed to be deployed indoors, at all.

But Figment, then they'd actually have to go and brush out what is and isn't indoors!

...Plus that would make the current Infantry Mines even more useless...

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Whiteagle

But Figment, then they'd actually have to go and brush out what is and isn't indoors!

D:

...Plus that would make the current Infantry Mines even more useless...

...considering all CCs are outdoors and you can simply toss them on top of the console...

...or where they sink into the floor...

...or where they teleport to another location or keep sliding down a small incline...

[Sturmhardt]

SOE should just fire Higby and make you the new lead game designer, ps2 would be a better game.

.sent via phone.

[Hmr85]

Soe, hire this man he knows what he is talking about. Seriously Figment how come you are not working for these guys yet?

This is exactly how tunnels should of been done in the first place along with spawn placement and such. The current tunnels we have now are just embarrassing.

[Boomzor]

Originally Posted by Hmr85

Soe, hire this man he knows what he is talking about. Seriously Figment how come you are not working for these guys yet?

Prism and NSA. It's the only reason I can think of.

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Boomzor

Prism and NSA. It's the only reason I can think of.

NSA-tan, why you gotta job-block Figment?

[psijaka]

Originally Posted by Figment

@Psijaka: I think we have some fundemental differences in view there, the attacker holds the advantage over the spawn area at that point. There really aren't any areas you could hide in for long. I don't perceive that as a concern.

As for indoor mines... There's a good reason why most automatic combative CE in PS1 wasn't allowed to be deployed indoors, at all.

It's a pretty minor issue either way. I'm very much in favour of what you suggest.