Now that the Fury is nerfed... - Page 2

typhaon · 2013-07-11, 11:21 AM

There are so many things that need balancing...

Mustarde · 2013-07-11, 03:28 PM

As someone who abused the fury wraith quite heavily prior to GU11, I am not very surprised with the changes that were made.

HOWEVER, I do have some concerns with how SOE went about balancing the fury. First, I think the fury itself was fine, and the old version had distinguishing features from the marauderer, which gave the two weapons some pros and cons. I agree that now, there is no reason to not use the marauderer, which is unfortunate.

The real problem with the fury was what happened when you threw it on highly mobile vehicles like the flash and the harasser - and the harasser fury farming really hit a fevered pitch a few weeks ago. Furies on sunderers were not a big deal... even a battle bus with dual furies had the drawbacks of being slow and easy to hit.

My personal gripe with how they balanced flashes is that in GU11, they drastically cut the ammo capacity of the fury (only for the flash). Combined with the global increases in vehicle costs, I saw a lot less wraith flashes out there, and I saw my own performance fall to a more reasonable level. But before the devs had enough time to asses their data and see if GU11 went too far, not far enough, or had it just right, the fury damage nerf went on the PTS and is now live with GU12. This leads me to conclude that the changes were predetermined and were made blindly, without factoring in what happened in GU11.

So now the Flash fury has been double nerfed, over the course of about 3 weeks. And flashes had their resource cost tripled, and still flip over and die when you sneeze at them. No real data has been shared on the flash lately, and I don't think the devs even looked at the data between GU11 and 12 - just not enough time to do so.

If they no longer wanted to put a fury on the ATV, I would have been fine with them just removing it and refunding certs. But double nerfing it, and making it more expensive... flashes are going to end up being as rare as they were before wraith and passenger seats were added. I am considering buying the shotgun for lolz. I've tried the kobalt with dismal results. Now I'm only pulling my flash for radar or to sneak behind a zerg to reach a good sniping perch

Also, I would have liked to see the ammo nerf for the fury brought over to the harasser too (instead of the damage nerf). It really does reduce the blatant farming potential of the platform, because you had to frequently return for ammo, even after dumping tons of certs. I suspect that would have been enough to balance the platform out.

OmegaPREDATOR · 2013-07-11, 11:02 PM

Finally we know why Fury was nerf.

Nothing to do with balance or some useless thing like this, too far from SOE policies !

SO it's just an old trick they always do for ...

Sell new weapons !

They just NERF the most played one (so who will no more be sell) and add something who will do the same (or close).

Why did I forgot that ! It's the only thinks SOE do !

Here the WHY :

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Or it may just some fun from Vanu Labs (but I really think SOE don't give a f*** of us so it may be the answer).

OmegaPREDATOR · 2013-07-12, 12:22 PM

OK maybe I was a little to in a bad mood when I write that. It seems to just be some tests from Vanu Labs. But commercial policies of SOE are not that far. as I describe.

AThreatToYou · 2013-07-12, 01:04 PM

Nerfing Flash anti-infantry in favor of returning the original Fury Flash to its former glory [by introducing a weapon that should have been here all along]? I vote yay.

Thunderhawk · 2013-07-12, 02:46 PM

Not sure what I am doing wrong (or right in this case) but the Fury is still as effective as ever at clearing out whole squads of players hanging around rocks and AMS'

I havent noticed any side effect to the "nerf" everyone is banging on about.....

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Obstruction · 2013-07-12, 05:42 PM

it's harder to solo an MBT basically. the direct hit damage is down, the AP resist type is up, the balance means probably a few more rounds (never really tested before) to take small armored targets, and a clip or so more for MBTs who have AP weakness AND the HP buff.

i'm pretty sure it was aimed at Fury Flash getting a double nerf vs MBT.

AThreatToYou · 2013-07-12, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Obstruction

it's harder to solo an MBT basically. the direct hit damage is down, the AP resist type is up, the balance means probably a few more rounds (never really tested before) to take small armored targets, and a clip or so more for MBTs who have AP weakness AND the HP buff.

i'm pretty sure it was aimed at Fury Flash getting a double nerf vs MBT.

Hmm...

Resist type for the weapon has improved against vehicles, which partially mitigates this decrease in direct hit damage

Nope.

Plus, when did the Fury ever kill MBTs?

BlazingSun · 2013-07-12, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by OmegaPREDATOR

(also with the NERF of air-hammer, the Enforcer Modified need 2 or 3 shoots for kill an infantery ... so worth than a pomp-action shotgun).

No range, not that much damage, a window where the gunner could shoot with its own weapon would be more usefull than the Enforcer Modified.

The funny thing is that it doesn't have more ammo than a handheld shotgun either and a pretty long reload on top. It's hands down the worst gun that you can get for a vehicle in this game. Good job SOE.

Mastachief · 2013-07-12, 08:08 PM

The enforcer modified is utterly worthless.. really go try it. There is no situation where you would equip that garbage. One more weapon the TR have the edge in. Striker/fracture/marauder/vulcan/mcg.

Mastachief · 2013-07-12, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thunderhawk

Not sure what I am doing wrong (or right in this case) but the Fury is still as effective as ever at clearing out whole squads of players hanging around rocks and AMS'

I havent noticed any side effect to the "nerf" everyone is banging on about.....

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It is there, you will notice it Vs vehicles/maxes/trying to kill people on top of walls more obviously. The main issue is that the TR have the marauder which is now a better fury.

Thunderhawk · 2013-07-13, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mastachief

It is there, you will notice it Vs vehicles/maxes/trying to kill people on top of walls more obviously. The main issue is that the TR have the marauder which is now a better fury.

The TR have better everything, whats new?

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Corvo · 2013-07-13, 09:03 AM

Wow that's a lot of whining in this thread! I don't feel like wasting my time to try and convince VS/NC guys that TR don't have 'better everything' (thanks for a good laugh btw), so I'll just jump to something more productive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Flash, Sunderer and Harasser Furies all different weapons? If that's the case, why didn't they tweak them separately? I see how OHK capability could be easily abused on flashes and harassers, but did they really need to nerf the Sunderer Fury?

I don't think that the devs could miss a point that obvious, so I have serious doubts about this nerf being somehow tied to 'OP' cloaked flashes and harassers. I think what they are trying to do is implement the jack-of-all-trades NS design philosophy more consistently one step at a time.

Step 1. New models for Marauder and Vulcan to make them look more TR. Changes to Enforcer and Saron models. Ugly stripes everywhere!
Step 2. Changes to Saron and Enforcer to give them a mechanic different from the halberd
Step 3. Tweaking Saron and Enforcer to make their AI damage worse than that of Halberd (specialization vs. jack of all trades)
Step 4. Bringing Vulcan in line with other factions AV secondaries. New spin-up mechanic and sound
Step 5. AV secondaries look okay! Time to work on AI secondaries now. Fury damage nerf. The direct result of this is that TR now have a gun that's better against infantry but worse against armor. Fury is now a versatile NS gun that's okay at everything. (Specialization vs. jack of all trades again)
Step 6. A balance pass on VS and NC AI secondaries?