The Oracle of Death, Part II - Page 10

MerlO · 2014-01-22, 09:37 AM

Sunderer Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2c&usp=sharing

No surprises there...

maradine · 2014-01-22, 04:03 PM

Nice to see the codebase getting some use. =D

edit: stunned to see the ranger getting some use.

Emperor Newt · 2014-01-22, 05:47 PM

The Lancer numbers suprise me. I would have expected it to get way more last hits due to the weapons design.

MerlO · 2014-01-24, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That overall effectiveness of the ESPLs seems largely irrelevant.
The stats in question shows ESF deaths and what destroyed them.
Naturally the Striker will outperform both the Phoenix and Lancer because it's a lock-on. Neither the Lancer or Phoenix were designed to take out targets like the ESF, even though it can be done.
If you want to argue that changes are needed overall then those are the wrong stats to go by.

Fortunately collecting vehicle deaths enables an approximate comparison of weapon performance against vehicles, compared to standard KPU from kills.

ES Rocket Launchers, last 7 days:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

v_deaths (vKPU) = ground vehicle deaths, a_deaths (aKPU) = aircraft deaths

Note that total kills will not sum to v_deaths + a_deaths, basically a vehicle can be destroyed with no one in it

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vKPU should be understood as deaths per unique. vKPU is calculated from unique killers - not exactly perfect but does give some basis for comparison across weapons.

About the 3 ESRLs, they seem reasonably balanced to me, no huge differences in vKPU, naturally the striker does better against aircraft. Pretty much what Chip said

edit: doesn't include AE versions, in future I should try and get both versions under the one weapon.

ChipMHazard · 2014-01-24, 07:12 AM

Aye, those stats match up well with my own experience. A bit surprised that the Striker is still soo popular, but I guess people do like lock-ons.

MerlO · 2014-01-25, 09:10 PM

Flash Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...VE&usp=sharing

Lightning Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2c&usp=sharing

MBT Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

ChipMHazard · 2014-01-25, 09:37 PM

C-4 sure is a tank killer

Falcon_br · 2014-01-26, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by MerlO

Flash Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...VE&usp=sharing

Lightning Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2c&usp=sharing

MBT Deaths:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

It is clear that the saron hbr is way better AV weapon then the other faction weapons.
The enforcer ML 85 can still be found on that lists.
But the Vulcan... It is underperforming even the m20 basilisk!

Snoopy · 2014-01-26, 03:04 AM

but vehicle suicide > all so, nerf vehicle suicide!

ChipMHazard · 2014-01-26, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Snoopy

but vehicle suicide > all so, nerf vehicle suicide!

Heh aye. It's no suprise to see so many Flashes getting destroyed that way. Flipping around left and right. Hopefully a lot of these vehicle suicides will be reduced when they rework the physics to make vehicles more stable.

Emperor Newt · 2014-01-26, 07:55 AM

Also C4 and suicide could relate to all the Lightnings getting stuck somewhere. If I would get 1SC every time that happens to me...

And I would not read all too much into those stats. Especially concerning the Saron. Due to its long range and fast rate of fire it's simply more like to get the last hit and therefore the kill. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's more effective. Just that it's able to get more last hits.

Would it be possible to gather the Coyote stats since the buff? The DasAnfall stats are... "interesting". Especially compared to all the other ESF secondaries. Looks like it's the new farming tool of choice (Again on an ESF. Who would have thought...)

MerlO · 2014-01-26, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

It is clear that the saron hbr is way better AV weapon then the other faction weapons.
The enforcer ML 85 can still be found on that lists.
But the Vulcan... It is underperforming even the m20 basilisk!

Yeah I was looking for the Vulcan too...it's not good...KPU / vKPU half the other AV secondaries, aircraft KPU about the same - not even making up for being poor against ground vehicles.

MerlO · 2014-01-26, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Emperor Newt

Also C4 and suicide could relate to all the Lightnings getting stuck somewhere. If I would get 1SC every time that happens to me...

And I would not read all too much into those stats. Especially concerning the Saron. Due to its long range and fast rate of fire it's simply more like to get the last hit and therefore the kill. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's more effective. Just that it's able to get more last hits.

Would it be possible to gather the Coyote stats since the buff? The DasAnfall stats are... "interesting". Especially compared to all the other ESF secondaries. Looks like it's the new farming tool of choice (Again on an ESF. Who would have thought...)

Regarding the C4 suicides, I made sure that self vehicle kills with weapons aren't included in the suicide deaths - wanted to be able to tell how OP trees are

. Unfortunately C4 is NS, so the C4 deaths includes: suicides, friendly C4 TKs, enemy C4. Future improvement is to have the faction ID of the attacker so I can split friendly from enemy C4.

I updated the ESF deaths sheet earlier, taking a look at coyote missiles, roughly looks like double the number of ESF deaths for 2 days i've got since the update. If i've got time Monday i'll post some ESF weapon kill stats.

MerlO · 2014-01-27, 06:29 AM

Adding the last 3 - Liberator, Galaxy, Harasser. Poor galaxy, dies by suicide more than half the time

DirtyBird · 2014-01-29, 06:39 PM

They dont call it Flash for nothing, thats about how long it lasts.

for data.