Be Constructive when referencing PlanetSide 1

[NotTheMomma]

Hamma's right. And, I'll raise him one and say that this forum is a virtual wake for Planetside 1, day after day. As a former hardcore Shadowbane guild & nation leader, I understand. But, SOE needs to put PS1 in the ground so that people can get through the grieving process and move on.

[Xaine]

Respectfully, Planetside 1 had a meta game. An overall stratergy and a reason to fight on a grander scale.

There is NOTHING even remotely close to any of that in Planetside 2.

We didn't play PS1 all those years for the amazing graphics, or gunplay, or dated UI. It was the meta game that made PS1 great.

PS2 has none of it.

I can't see a reason why PS2 doesn't have it. Honestly, it boggles my mind.

Either the devs haven't thought of it, they can't put it in, or don't want to.

Pick one of the above reasons, they're all pathetic.

After 4 months, we should have something.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

It's a new game because it's Planetside 2. New mechanics, redesigned continents, new weapons, new class system. It's the Planetside IP in a new engine with new things.


And it is a new audience... unless Smedley is lying.

"GamesBeat: How many of the people in your player base came from the original PlanetSide, do you think, and how many are brand new to Sony Online?

Smedley: I would say it’s maybe 10 percent people who played the original. Another 20 percent have played our games before. The rest are new — 70 percent of the people coming in are new to our business"


Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/12/so...u00JRl2Mr52.99

So he says roughly 70% of the people coming to Planetside 2 are new. 20% have played SOE games in general and 10% are PS1 vets.

90% of Planetside 2 population is new to Planetside. That's a new audience. Even if 30% played PS1 before.. that's 70% new audience. That's still a new audience.

Interesting - hadn't seen that!

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Xaine

Respectfully, Planetside 1 had a meta game. An overall stratergy and a reason to fight on a grander scale.

There is NOTHING even remotely close to any of that in Planetside 2.

We didn't play PS1 all those years for the amazing graphics, or gunplay, or dated UI. It was the meta game that made PS1 great.

PS2 has none of it.

I can't see a reason why PS2 doesn't have it. Honestly, it boggles my mind.

Either the devs haven't thought of it, they can't put it in, or don't want to.

Pick one of the above reasons, they're all pathetic.

After 4 months, we should have something.

Nobody can dispute this, not even me. Why we haven't seen a higher priority on this I'll never understand.

[camycamera]

the only time that PS1 should be brought up in the PS2 subsection would be for suggestions for PS2 of things that worked in PS1, and that how they could be implemented into PS2; how it would work. i hate it when i see threads that say"where are the BFRs? they were in PS1, so why aren't they in PS2?" (jokes, but you know what i mean; it has been mentioned time and time again in this thread)

[bpostal]

Originally Posted by Hamma

...but you have to realize that the game is not forgotten...

I think we all know what you're talking about on an intellectual level, but on a personal, and rather more emotional level, it feels like it(Planetside) has been.

This is especially true on the official forums and redditside, where a vast majority of players have no knowledge of Planetside and it's systems.

[Xaine]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Nobody can dispute this, not even me. Why we haven't seen a higher priority on this I'll never understand.

Well this is the point, isn't it.

I'm not sure you can blame people for comparing the game to PS1 when they're leaving out MAJOR features that made people play the game for 10 years.

Honestly, if there was one thing I thought they'd take from PS1 into PS2, it was the meta game. It was completely set in my mind that they wouldn't be (arrogant, dumb - insert your own adjective here. I'm trying to think of a less aggressive one, but...) to leave out the one thing that really made Planetside good.

Honestly, it blows my mind.

I don't think they've even said anything about it, either?

[Chaff]

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We ALL should be locked up in a mental ward somewhere....all this over a game ? Amusing. Or as Spock would say, "fascinating".

That's my analogy - Star Trek (the original series). The special effects we're abysmal, the props & sets were sometimes below Land of The Lost & Sleestacks.....

MY Point ? IF you grew up with the origianl Star Trek series ..... you were destined to forever love Scotty, O'Houra, Bones, Spock, Kirk, Capt Pike,......

A huge percentage of PS1 vets want KIrk & Spock back ..... even if they both live to be 150 .... and have Grampa nutsacks that hang to their ankles. It's nostalgia, loyalty, & the power of first-Love.

Remeber your first real girlfriend ? Especially if it was YOU who broke up .... only later to delude yourself into thinking you regreted it ?
There was a reason you broke up with her. It's too easy to forget the negatives ..... after you leave .... the nostalgia & positives remain. For the most part, it's good that life is this way. In PS2 discussions, it can induce hair pulling when not put in check.
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the origianl Star Trek series - This is PS1
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[Rahabib]

Originally Posted by Xaine

Well this is the point, isn't it.

I'm not sure you can blame people for comparing the game to PS1 when they're leaving out MAJOR features that made people play the game for 10 years.

Honestly, if there was one thing I thought they'd take from PS1 into PS2, it was the meta game. It was completely set in my mind that they wouldn't be (arrogant, dumb - insert your own adjective here. I'm trying to think of a less aggressive one, but...) to leave out the one thing that really made Planetside good.

Honestly, it blows my mind.

I don't think they've even said anything about it, either?

Theres not many who will dispute the lack of metagame elements. However, they know we want more - harping on what PS1 had isnt helping. Instead we need to layout what we (reasonably) expect and then we need to band together to accomplish that. If you ask for lattice, it aint happening, move on - thats what Hamma is getting at. If you want the shop to change out all its weapons for something else, it aint happening.

Make a well thought out post of the issues and what you would like to see happen. If you have already dont that, well good. Its a shame the community doesn't come together more on well fleshed out solutions.

Beyond that, theres nothing else you can do. The devs are listening, they just may not like what some people are saying. I know I have been ignored on both forums, it happens to everyone.

[Xaine]

Originally Posted by Rahabib

Theres not many who will dispute the lack of metagame elements. However, they know we want more - harping on what PS1 had isnt helping. Instead we need to layout what we (reasonably) expect and then we need to band together to accomplish that. If you ask for lattice, it aint happening, move on - thats what Hamma is getting at. If you want the shop to change out all its weapons for something else, it aint happening.

Make a well thought out post of the issues and what you would like to see happen. If you have already dont that, well good. Its a shame the community doesn't come together more on well fleshed out solutions.

Beyond that, theres nothing else you can do. The devs are listening, they just may not like what some people are saying. I know I have been ignored on both forums, it happens to everyone.

Planetside 2 is supposed to be the evolution of Planetside 1.

When Planetside 2 lacks a feature that made Planetside 1 the great game it was, I think we're entitled to a bit of harping.

I don't think the devs are listening. Or if they are, its very selective. Its not as if the lack of a meta is a small, underground issue that they may not know about. Its the one thing dragging the game down at the moment.

People have been SCREAMING for a reason to fight since last year.

Not only has nothing been done, but I haven't seen a reply on the matter either.

So the whole community interaction "we're listening to you" is fantastic when it suits them, but this very old, very tired, very dead horse has been flogged for a while now with no comment on it.

Apparently new helmets are more important.

Again, blows my mind.

[ChipMHazard]

Besides making constructive posts about the metagame, or lack thereof, we of course need to keep riding their asses about it.
Make it impossible for them to even try and ignore us lads!

[Rahabib]

Originally Posted by Xaine

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I don't think the devs are listening. Or if they are, its very selective. ...

you are right. it is selective. If they like listening to cool jazz, make your music cool and jazzy if you want to be heard. Man I am on a role with the analogies today My point is, I think a lot of people and threads will get more attention if they just change the tone a bit. Certainly don't give up though.

edit: FYI trying to be constructive and thought out hasn't worked for me either, but railing isn't going to help. T-Ray already said he ignores whining.

[Rahabib]

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

Besides making constructive posts about the metagame, or lack thereof, we of course need to keep riding their asses about it.
Make it impossible for them to even try and ignore us lads!

exactly. keep posting your concerns. try new avenues (get a twitter account?) band together with some solid DOABLE solutions.

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Rahabib

you are right. it is selective. If they like listening to cool jazz, make your music cool and jazzy if you want to be heard. Man I am on a role with the analogies today My point is, I think a lot of people and threads will get more attention if they just change the tone a bit.

I would be careful around those, an analogy ønce bit my sister. Nø realli! She was Karving her initials on it with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge... I, uhm, lost my train of thought.

Ah, yes. It's all in the delivery:

[Mietz]

Well, enjoy your echo chamber then.