Who are you and who do you hate?

[Manitou]

I don't hate, or even dislike, any enemies of the Terran Republic. I simply kill them when I see them. It isn't an emotional response, it is business - and business is good.

[Blackwolf]

Originally Posted by Memeotis

This is an experiment, the purpose of which I won't reveal straight away.

The statistics of what faction you are will be revealed once the game launches, so that's irrelevant.

Posts with polls about your second choice end up distorted by players who want to show how loyal they are by setting their 2nd choice as their 1st.

So. Let's keep it simple. Which faction are you going to be? And which faction do you dislike the most?

EDIT

NC // VS: 38
NC // TR: 30
VS // TR: 21
VS // NC: 45
TR // NC: 57
TR // VS: 33

I had thought to see NC players disliking TR the most and vice versa, but this only seems to be true for the TR. I had also thought that VS would have a more equal distribution of which faction they dislike the most, but similar to the TR they also seem to dislike the NC the most.

Ever since I started paying attention to this game, I always felt that NC and TR were the only real rivals, and that the VS had simply been thrown into the mix. It seems that I was wrong, and that the only thing that is really conclusive from these statistics is that NC is the most hated faction overall and that the TR is the least hated.

TR were better balanced in PS1. NC is based on hard hitting shots and heavier armor, doesn't matter how slow they shoot or move if they kill in a split second.

You won't find a healthy rivalry, more like contempt.

Few people hated TR vehicles or weapons. About the only thing the VS had that was truly despised was the Lasher, with Quasar being a close second. And damn near everything the NC had was hated/feared. You name it, the ScatterMAX, the Sparrow, the Phoenix missile launcher, the Thunderer, the Peregrine's AV gunner variant, the Vanguard, the JackHammer...

As a VS player, it just sucked fighting the NC. Because 90% of the game catered to their domain (close quarters) and where it didn't, they had the advantage of heavier armor as well as higher firepower (vehicles).

It was just a bad combination for balance. Does not surprise me at all to see the NC are the most "hated".

91 hate VS

64 hate TR

and 123 hate NC.

For infantry/MAX TR were better at range, NC were better at close quarters, with VS running the middle ground. 90% of the game was at close quarters.

For vehicles. TR had better infantry transportation, VS had better maneuverability with weaker armor, and NC had heavier armor and higher firepower. Since TR firepower relied on multiple gunners for the same vehicle and VS maneuverability wasn't all that great compared to the other two factions, the NC had a decidedly greater advantage in outdoor combat.

So basically it doesn't matter where you are. If you aren't in yellow and blue, you are pretty much easy meat.

[KilroytheNinja]

If the NC are the most hated faction... we must be doing something right!

FREEDOM OVER OPPRESSION!!

[SergeantNubins]

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

For infantry/MAX TR were better at range, NC were better at close quarters, with VS running the middle ground. 90% of the game was at close quarters.

For vehicles. TR had better infantry transportation, VS had better maneuverability with weaker armor, and NC had heavier armor and higher firepower. Since TR firepower relied on multiple gunners for the same vehicle and VS maneuverability wasn't all that great compared to the other two factions, the NC had a decidedly greater advantage in outdoor combat.

So basically it doesn't matter where you are. If you aren't in yellow and blue, you are pretty much easy meat.

Oh good lord... nc were great in towers and close range sure, but in bases you had corridors to get through and all the vanu had to do was fill them with lasher spam, didn't even have to score direct hits thanks to the lash effect and they did equal damage to maxes, so you didnt need to switch to an av weapon or change to AP ammo when maxes were in the mix.. just hold down the fire button.

Outside, i would say the prowler was less flexible and at a disadvantage against air vehciles when it only had one gunner, but as far as tank v tank goes it was about the same, i would say slightly weaker than the mag and van over all. If you added a third gunner then it became more powerful than the other two.. but a much more tempting target too. The vanguard and magrider were pretty even. The driver of the mag had a gun that was actualy useful, the direct fire fast moving bolt from the main turret was great for fighting vehicles (both air and ground, prowler and vanguard main gun shells were extremely difficult to hit air targets with) but it was not so good against infantry where the prowler and vanguard had a definite advantage due to arcing shells with fairly large AoE. If there was water around, the mag was at a huge advantage, you only scored damage with a direct hit from the main guns of the prowler/vanguard since there was no splash damage when the shells hit the water.

Everyone had strengths and weaknesses all this cra about nc having better gear than everyone else is total bollocks, if they were, then it would have been like it was during lasher 2.0 where the vanu controlled the entire bloody map all the time.

[Blackwolf]

Originally Posted by SergeantNubins

Oh good lord... nc were great in towers and close range sure, but in bases you had corridors to get through and all the vanu had to do was fill them with lasher spam, didn't even have to score direct hits thanks to the lash effect and they did equal damage to maxes, so you didnt need to switch to an av weapon or change to AP ammo when maxes were in the mix.. just hold down the fire button.

Dear god, Do not get me started about Lasher's vs MAX suits. When I played the game, it took a Lasher 3 clips to down a MAX suit, a total of 21+ seconds including reload time. We had no AP ability with Lashers, MCG and JackHammer had faster TTKs with their white rounds.

And Your statement pretty much just agrees with mine. I said 90% of the game (I should have specified infantry game) was at close quarters. VS ruled the back door and TR ruled the courtyards, that leaves the rest of the base and every tower on the map to NC territory. And I also mentioned that the Lasher was the VS's only despised weapon.

Outside, i would say the prowler was less flexible and at a disadvantage against air vehciles when it only had one gunner, but as far as tank v tank goes it was about the same, i would say slightly weaker than the mag and van over all. If you added a third gunner then it became more powerful than the other two.. but a much more tempting target too. The vanguard and magrider were pretty even. The driver of the mag had a gun that was actualy useful, the direct fire fast moving bolt from the main turret was great for fighting vehicles (both air and ground, prowler and vanguard main gun shells were extremely difficult to hit air targets with) but it was not so good against infantry where the prowler and vanguard had a definite advantage due to arcing shells with fairly large AoE. If there was water around, the mag was at a huge advantage, you only scored damage with a direct hit from the main guns of the prowler/vanguard since there was no splash damage when the shells hit the water.

Pretty clear you speak from a viewpoint based on paper and not practice. Rule number #1 while driving a Magrider, never charge another MBT, especially a Vanguard. Rule #2, never use the driver gun against aircraft, your maneuverability get's shot to hell and you follow suit. #3 The only time the PPA should be used is against fleeing vehicles. All other targets cause severe mobility issues while attempting to aim the PPA. The driver was more effective running infantry over after landing a few rounds (as part of a 20 round spray) then just shooting. Won't argue about the water thing.

The Magrider's mobility didn't make effective use of the PPA since strafe was severely limited compared to forward movement. The MBTs were especially good representations of the differences between empire strengths and weaknesses in practice compared to paper.

And people have done the math, a Prowler with a secondary gunner wasn't much of a match against a Vanguard. Against a Magrider it was, but not a Vanguard. The MBTs were balanced based on weapons useable at the same time, and the Vannie could only use one of it's two weapons so it was given better armor and a stronger punch to "compensate". Which made it the better tank overall.

Everyone had strengths and weaknesses all this cra about nc having better gear than everyone else is total bollocks, if they were, then it would have been like it was during lasher 2.0 where the vanu controlled the entire bloody map all the time.

I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

[Vydofnir]

I feel like all of the factions have their positive and negative qualities, so I substituted "hate" for "look forward to killing the most". That may seem just as bad, but I think I have a certain respect for TR players even though I intend to kill the TR as much as humanly possible. I feel like playing as the NC will be a challenging and rewarding gaming experience (although it seems like most people on this thread seem to think otherwise), and I feel like fighting the TR will provide a great challenge as well. Not to mention I think I'll have a much harder time bringing myself to kill VS when they look so damn swank!

[xnorb]

Voted without ever having played any PS :)

I'm going TR - they seem to be the ass-kickers in Planetside.
And voted i hate the VS because here in this forum they seem to spread
lots of elitism and i already feel the urge to kick their asses *g*

[musefrog]

Originally Posted by archaonn

Well, I particulary have no hate against any of the other factions. Im fighting for something, and they dont want that to happen. But I never forget that the ones that im killing are people.

This. All the empires have sympathetic aspects (though like this guy, I'm probably NC).

[Otleaz]

Originally Posted by musefrog

This. All the empires have sympathetic aspects (though like this guy, I'm probably NC).

The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

[Tikuto]

I'm TR and I hate VS the most.

I was VS in PlanetSide1 but at heart was always TR. PlanetSide2 will settle a verdict and enact judgement!

FOCK YEAAGH! DIE PURPLE POWER-PUFF PANSIES!

[SergeantNubins]

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

You didnt play back then, so you just told me that you have less experience with ps1 than me yet are telling me you know better and my stuff is based on paper. Lasher 2.0 was when they hugely buffed the lasher, it lashed without limitation and did more damage at a faster fire rate, it was impossible to win against the vanu inside and as soon as it came out they dominated the world map, pushing both tr and nc back to their sanctuaries over and over again. I actually remember having conversations with cr5's in the TR trying to organise a fight between the NC and them so that we didn't have to engage the vanu. In fact i have a video drom during that time where you can actually see a vanu player miss every single shot he fired and still kill me whilst I was reloading (hes looking at the floor and trying to track me whilst firing down with shots landing about a meter behind me but still damaging me).

I've played all three factions i know what they are good and not good at. Stair cases, spawn rooms are close areas, but you have to get there first .. involving movement through open areas and corridors. It takes a shit load more white ammo to kill a max than it does vanu plasma jizz ammo - it requires a reload - circa 3 seconds to complete, a full 12 clip round + another reload with another couple of shots at point blank range to finish them off with the gold ammo. Unless they changed something drastic in the last 6 months, and whilst you are doing that you are basically incapable of engaging infantry until you have changed your ammo back, where as you can do them both at the same time. Over longer distances. You only used white ammo against maxes if you didnt have a choice and then you usualyl just died barely scracthing it. Your comments are fairly tyical of a vanu player who is not used to having to plan ahead with two different types of ammo pack, since all of your guns only need one and dont need reloads to switch.

I didnt say use the driver gun to engage aircraft, i said use the main gun - you know, the big one that shoots fast moving high powered projectiles in a straight line? Something thats pretty damn useful at shooting air targets as you dont have to calculate for a slower moving projectile with an arcing fire?

Either way, if there was a problem with balance and the nc were o/p and had all the best gear, then you would see them winning and dominating the map all the time. As it happens, apart from during lasher 2.0, there have been precious few times when ANY empire has dominated the map.. that means the empires are balanced in how they are and this crap about nc having better gear is exactly that.. crap.

[cBselfmonkey]

Originally Posted by Otleaz

The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

Bringing down tyrannical dictators is never is never pointless.

[Landtank]

Originally Posted by Otleaz

The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

Sounds like someone hates freedom! Why do you hate freedom? Is it the idea of liberty and justice for all that you hate, or just free will?

Freedom over oppression!

[cBselfmonkey]

Same could be said for transhumanism :P

[Kalbuth]

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

And people have done the math, a Prowler with a secondary gunner wasn't much of a match against a Vanguard. Against a Magrider it was, but not a Vanguard. The MBTs were balanced based on weapons useable at the same time, and the Vannie could only use one of it's two weapons so it was given better armor and a stronger punch to "compensate". Which made it the better tank overall.



I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

Don't know where your maths come from and when they were calculated, but prowler outdamages in terms of DPS the other 2 tanks, and this with only the main gunner. The VG armor levels up the field, and TTK between both are rather equal. Where Prowler sucks in PS1 is on top speed and more than everything, acceleration, making him stopped at the slightest slope, and every bump dead-stop him. Horrible to drive.

Your description of magriders shows knowledge of the beast, though I always prefered mag over the other 2, because I was VS at launch, and the real difference between mag and the other 2 make him stand out.

During the first months of PS1, there, and only there, VS were really the underpowered empire, with the 2-3 weeks of Lasher 2.0 in august 2003 being the exception (and yes, this tool was the most overpowered error made by SOE, we were attacking AIRCRAFT with freaking lashers, and winning). If you didn't play VS at that time, you don't really know what "common pool empire" means Our strong points were a tank that could squish infantry instead of shooting at it efficiently, and a AV weapon mainly used as a infantry sniper replacement. Everything else rather sucked.

Since then, with several lasher and pulsar buffs, general MAX buff, Striker nerf, and a whole bunch of changes, they are kind of easy mode, honestly. Most annoyingly, the lasher is the best group HA of the 3, the effects of Lasher spam are devastating when a group is charging. JH, while being the beast 1vs1, is not tailored for group fighting (try going face2face on your target without breaking the LoS of your comrades, good luck).
All in all, we're far more balanced today than in May 2003


I've played all 3 empires, mostly VS and NC, thus I don't have ties anymore, and I don't particularly hate one empire. I just hate my ennemies.