We should be able to pay to turn off other people's skins/decals - Page 10

Pride · 2012-07-04, 11:44 AM

If this annoys you that badly you can always tamper with your files to get rid of it. I know in League Of Legends if you hate skins, or want a skin you don't have you can copy the files and rename them. The game loads the wrong skin so it displays the one you want. It's client side only, but this sounds like the kind of thing you were after.

So in Planetside for example there may be joke camos you don't like (i.e Zebra). Find it in your files "Zerbra.camo",delete it, Copy your "Default.camo" file and rename it "Zebra.camo". Simple.

LostAlgorithm · 2012-07-04, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Pride

If this annoys you that badly you can always tamper with your files to get rid of it. I know in League Of Legends if you hate skins, or want a skin you don't have you can copy the files and rename them. The game loads the wrong skin so it displays the one you want. It's client side only, but this sounds like the kind of thing you were after.

So in Planetside for example there may be joke camos you don't like (i.e Zebra). Find it in your files "Zerbra.camo",delete it, Copy your "Default.camo" file and rename it "Zebra.camo". Simple.

I think it unlikely you'll be able to do that without getting caught and banned. Even Blizzard checks for tampering with this kind of stuff.

I'd be fine with that as a solution so long as I was told by the devs I wouldn't be punished for it.

Pride · 2012-07-04, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by LostAlgorithm

I think it unlikely you'll be able to do that without getting caught and banned. Even Blizzard checks for tampering with this kind of stuff.

I'd be fine with that as a solution so long as I was told by the devs I wouldn't be punished for it.

Well I know Valve is fine with this sort of thing, I use lots of mods that change the appearance of characters and weapons in left4dead and before I had to re download TF2 because my computer derped, I'd changed the Spy uncloak sound effect in TF2 to something more noticeable.

I guess SOE would have to speak on the issue before you know it's 100% fine though, in reference to blizzard I recall one of their GMs coming and clearing up the policy on their forums, he said that he believed that texture packs could cause unforeseen technical problems, in some cases give an unfair advantage (I.e making all Horde ten feet tall and bright pink) and took away from the artists vision. Hence he requested people didn't do it and quoted the EULA which said modifying the game files was illegal.

That being said i'm not sure if they can detect the changes, I had a friend who used texture packs in WoW (race edited Draenei to broken, and his Night Elf to a Naga) and was never banned, Perhaps he was just lucky.

Flaropri · 2012-07-04, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by LostAlgorithm

Of course I do, I just don't care about their personal image if it doesn't suit my tastes.

Which I'm totally cool with, but you seemed to be unable to understand why people who bought cosmetic items would want others to see them, so I thought I'd ask.

Thing is, if you don't care, is it really important to change how you see them?

No, because those are people I have to deal with in real situations. Their poor choices give me advance warning about what kind of person I'm dealing with.

I don't see how this is any different in a game. If you're prevented from seeing another person's "poor choices" then you get no advance warning. Heck, this is one of the reasons I like the 1st amendment in the US protecting (otherwise peaceful) "hate" speech, it makes it easier to identify people I may not wish to associate with on a regular basis.

I really don't care to be forced to see those poor choices in a video game though because I'm not forced to interact with any of them if I don't want to.

And you're not forced to interact with people in reality either. You might have more tools to filter digital noise than direct sound-waves, but if someone picks a fight with you in PS2 you're forced to interact with them as you would be in real life. If someone wants to try and talk to you, it's the same, you can ignore them or otherwise avoid them in real life just as you can in a game. The consequences can be different depending on the situation but the basic principle is similar.

I'd rather be able to scrub the game of those things I think are stupid and have it fit my idealized vision of what the game should look like, which is largely the same vision Planetside 1 had: faction colors and no stupid accessories / camos / hats.

And many, many other people would rather show off their "cool" and "fun" (at least in their view) custom jobs and not have the things they pay for be (partially) removed, and thus lose value (again, at least in their view).

It's not so much about forcing people to see poor fashion, as it is about preventing unnecessary censorship. At least that's my view on it.

GreatMazinkaise · 2012-07-04, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pride

That being said i'm not sure if they can detect the changes, I had a friend who used texture packs in WoW (race edited Draenei to broken, and his Night Elf to a Naga) and was never banned, Perhaps he was just lucky.

WoW doesn't use Punkbuster, which as I understand it is quite capable of screenshotting you in-game to check for overlays if desired, so I imagine that it'd be a bannable offense.

Otleaz · 2012-07-04, 01:00 PM

You can edit your files in LoL so you don't see other player's skins as well.

LostAlgorithm · 2012-07-04, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Flaropri

Which I'm totally cool with, but you seemed to be unable to understand why people who bought cosmetic items would want others to see them, so I thought I'd ask.

I understand perfectly, I just don't agree that it should matter if everyone else can see them or not. The people who do want to see them, the only people who really matter, won't use an option to turn it off so they lose nothing.

Thing is, if you don't care, is it really important to change how you see them?

I don't care about their fashion sense but I do care about the game looking the way I want it to. It's really not that different than what they want except I don't get an option to play it my way. And the way it has been proposed we could both play our way and have zero effect on the other.

And you're not forced to interact with people in reality either. You might have more tools to filter digital noise than direct sound-waves, but if someone picks a fight with you in PS2 you're forced to interact with them as you would be in real life. If someone wants to try and talk to you, it's the same, you can ignore them or otherwise avoid them in real life just as you can in a game. The consequences can be different depending on the situation but the basic principle is similar.

Wrong. The circumstances are different. If you're working say a customer service job, you cannot realistically ignore or avoid someone who stands out as an idiot to you. If you have to work alongside someone you dislike, it's not as simply as /mute to avoid having to deal with them.

And many, many other people would rather show off their "cool" and "fun" (at least in their view) custom jobs and not have the things they pay for be (partially) removed, and thus lose value (again, at least in their view).

And all I'm saying is that their view is wrong. If someone doesn't want to see your custom skin job, then if they can't see it you lose nothing. There is no value to lose. In fact, there is only value to be gained by the developers through having another source of income and an overall happier playerbase that feels their individual tastes are more catered to.

It's not so much about forcing people to see poor fashion, as it is about preventing unnecessary censorship. At least that's my view on it.

Please, this is not censorship. Those who enjoy skins are not effected in any way. Asking for the option to opt out of something while letting everyone else continue on as if nothing changed isn't censorship. It's like complaining that people who choose to live out in the country are censoring those who live in the city; it makes no sense.

Nephilimuk · 2012-07-04, 02:04 PM

whats the point of buying it if other people can turn it off?

Vancha · 2012-07-04, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Nephilimuk

whats the point of buying it if other people can turn it off?

Because if the skins look half decent, the vast majority of people shouldn't be paying money to turn them off.

MrKWalmsley · 2012-07-04, 04:01 PM

So you want to pay to restrict what other people have paid for? If I pay for camouflage to hide a bit better I don't want someone to be able to make that payment utterly nullified, and cause me to have wasted my money because of their actions.

Vancha · 2012-07-04, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by MrKWalmsley

So you want to pay to restrict what other people have paid for? If I pay for camouflage to hide a bit better I don't want someone to be able to make that payment utterly nullified, and cause me to have wasted my money because of their actions.

I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

Airanuva · 2012-07-04, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Vancha

I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

You can't pick and choose which skins you don't want. It's a switch. Either all or none.

Say there is a ceiling light with two light bulbs. One is too bright, while the other is just right. You can't choose which bulb to turn off with a light switch, you'll just turn them both off.
If you want camo, you need all skins active. If you don't want to see the skins, you can't have camo. Simple as that.

MrKWalmsley · 2012-07-04, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Vancha

I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

And this whole thread is clearly satire. Ever seen a serious thread with such an outrageous idea where throughout the whole thing the OP doesn't even explain why?

Psi · 2012-07-04, 04:24 PM

This whole thread is an exercise in redundancy.

I can guarantee you that SOE isn't going to screw themselves over by offering this as an option.

Baneblade · 2012-07-04, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by LostAlgorithm

I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it. You won't even know they can't see the skins you bought.

Because my poor taste is going to be entirely about making it that much harder to kill me. Which is the real reason you guys want to be able to turn it off, so you don't get derped by the guy blending into the shadows.