Please remove Vehicle seat swapping. - Page 10

Klockan · 2012-07-18, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

I realize it makes sense to swap seats from inside a vehicle but you cannot do it instantly.

Do you realize that most "seats" in planetside aren't actual seats but instead different computer interfaces, I mean you haven't seen anyone actually man a turret have you? Instead they are sitting at terminals or at least something very like a terminal, so changing which weapon this terminal is controlling should be just as fast as the player changing "seats" as it is now. It is not unrealistic at all. None of the turrets are "manned", they are controlled from a computer, and it wouldn't be hard to make all computers being able to control any turret. That would make sense from a design perspective since then the soldiers would be able to switch roles instantly in case someone gets taken out.

Zenben · 2012-07-18, 05:04 AM

When I think of instant seat-swapping, the biggest problem in my mind is that a Liberator pilot becomes that douchebag in Battlefield that seat-swaps the TV missile in the attack chopper, only now he has a tank cannon to do it with. No thanks.

Notsononymous · 2012-07-18, 05:13 AM

So can the yes-camp please explain (as their arguments seem to be founded in pro-realism) why in real life you would not be able to switch to the gunner seat in a tank or aircraft without getting out?

The way all modern combat vehicles are designed you can easily change seat without having to exit your vehicle!

BlueSkies · 2012-07-18, 05:14 AM

Filthy seat swapping bastard, look at how OP he is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3xUxSfqAO8#t=1m34s

Azren · 2012-07-18, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Notsononymous

So can the yes-camp please explain (as their arguments seem to be founded in pro-realism) why in real life you would not be able to switch to the gunner seat in a tank or aircraft without getting out?

The way all modern combat vehicles are designed you can easily change seat without having to exit your vehicle!

O' really?

Yes, I'm sure they always fly solo, it's just that the pilot switches seats when he needs to fire...

ringring · 2012-07-18, 05:24 AM

I agree. ~When I see video of a liberator and the main gunner is swapping back and forth with the tail-gun position you think 'that's wrong'.

Azren · 2012-07-18, 05:25 AM

Do not allow any seat changes for the Liberator. The seats are sealed from eachother in that craft.
Allow on-the-fly seat change for Galaxy, but make it slower than when landed. Pilot can only change seat when landed.
Allow seat change while mobile for Sunderer and MBT, but make it slower than when stationary. Driver can only change seat when stationary.

Klockan · 2012-07-18, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Azren

Do not allow any seat changes for the Liberator. The seats are sealed from eachother in that craft.
Allow on-the-fly seat change for Galaxy, but make it slower than when landed. Pilot can only change seat when landed.
Allow seat change while mobile for Sunderer and MBT, but make it slower than when stationary. Driver can only change seat when stationary.

Read my post, realism isn't an issue, seat swapping is realistic in most vehicles since they are controlled through computers and are not actually manned through specific seats. So you just switch control from one terminal to the other, there real life instant seat swapping!

KTNApollo · 2012-07-18, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Azren

Do not allow any seat changes for the Liberator. The seats are sealed from eachother in that craft.
Allow on-the-fly seat change for Galaxy, but make it slower than when landed. Pilot can only change seat when landed.
Allow seat change while mobile for Sunderer and MBT, but make it slower than when stationary. Driver can only change seat when stationary.

This. Anybody that disagress with this is doing it wrong.

Klockan · 2012-07-18, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by KTNApollo

This. Anybody that disagress with this is doing it wrong.

Funny that you are ignoring me who completely crushed his argument.

KTNApollo · 2012-07-18, 05:39 AM

I'm sure Pilots can instantly swap to bomber cameras, line up shots, swap back to pilot, give themself some vertical momentum, swap to tailgunner and harass the aircraft shooting them from behind, and then swap back to pilot in real life. Please, don't be stupid. Is it ineffective to do so and likely to result in your death? Yes. Should you be able to do it anyway? No.

Scenario time.

4 guys decide to get 2 Liberators, because who needs a 3rd gunner? If fully manned, 4 people only gets you one Lib. If 6 people get Liberators, you can either have 2 fully manned or 3 two-thirds manned. This problem gets exponentially worse with each new member. 12 guys? 6 with 2, or 4 with 3. 24 guys? 12 with 2, or 8 with 3. 12 Liberators can kill more tanks than 8 Liberators can, and then they can swap to tailgun and take out any aircraft faster than 8 Liberators can.

The same problem presents itself with MBTs. Players will favor solo-ing MBTs because 2 MBTs will be able to handle any situation better than 1 MBT with a secondary gunner.

Seriously, stop wearing the dunce cap and look at the problems here. Vehicles need to be fully manned. Seat-swapping makes this less pertinent.

Klockan · 2012-07-18, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by KTNApollo

Seriously, stop wearing the dunce cap and look at the problems here. Vehicles need to be fully manned. Seat-swapping makes this less pertinent.

Yes, that is true, but using the realism argument doesn't work. If it should be removed it should be because it is bad for gameplay for some reason. To me it seems like it creates a lot of situations where skillfull play can win the day which is good for gameplay. No matter what people say this is a shooter and not WoW so twitch player skill should still matter and not just manpower. There are arguments in favor of both sides really.

KTNApollo · 2012-07-18, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

Yes, that is true, but using the realism argument doesn't work. If it should be removed it should be because it is bad for gameplay for some reason. To me it seems like it creates a lot of situations where skillfull play can win the day which is good for gameplay.

Realism can suck a dick. I agree with you. Stop using that argument. This is bad for gameplay reasons, and gameplay reasons alone. This is bad for the same reasons that BF3's vehicle mechanics are bad. Jump out of a jet going straight up, turn around, headshot the pilot of another jet, jump back in the jet as it falls back to you. Skillful? Yeah, okay, who cares? It's still retarded and shouldn't be in the game.

Rago · 2012-07-18, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by KTNApollo

Realism can suck a dick. I agree with you. Stop using that argument. This is bad for gameplay reasons, and gameplay reasons alone. This is bad for the same reasons that BF3's vehicle mechanics are bad. Jump out of a jet going straight up, turn around, headshot the pilot of another jet, jump back in the jet as it falls back to you. Skillful? Yeah, okay, who cares? It's still retarded and shouldn't be in the game.

I disagree.

I love Seat swapping, like i told and i like not realistic Stuff.
Goind out of a Jet killing sombody, and then get back into the Jet, is something what ist "Very Satisfying" You need a lot of Luck and Skill for this and when its working, its very much of FUN.

Basically there are People who like this and People who dont.

Its the same with many other Things.As soon we get the Orbital Strikes Back for example People will cry arround like, OS Noob

.The Same Goes for the Redeemer Noods in UT ect. ITS FUN.
Look at this Guy, even if you dont want such things in Games
I love THAT STUFF !

Such Things you dont like, but they are FUN ! Realism is Cheap, to be against fun in Gameplay ,too

Dont hate me for that !

Zulthus · 2012-07-18, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Klockan

Do you realize that most "seats" in planetside aren't actual seats but instead different computer interfaces, I mean you haven't seen anyone actually man a turret have you? Instead they are sitting at terminals or at least something very like a terminal, so changing which weapon this terminal is controlling should be just as fast as the player changing "seats" as it is now. It is not unrealistic at all. None of the turrets are "manned", they are controlled from a computer, and it wouldn't be hard to make all computers being able to control any turret. That would make sense from a design perspective since then the soldiers would be able to switch roles instantly in case someone gets taken out.

This has to be the biggest reach I have ever seen on these forums.