Strikers are OP against air. - Page 10

Plaqueis · 2013-09-03, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Easy to do with a dedicated G2A launcher. Rocket is faster, and chases you for a whole kilometer.

Sure, with more than 2 guys firing almost simultaneously and a pilot who doesn't flare and/or use afterburner to get behind anything...

SolLeks · 2013-09-03, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by MGP

I was never being shot down by Striker on my NC alt. And i fly Reaver alot. Do you know what Reaver can outrun striker rockets even without certing into racer? Well, it can.

Why yes, it can outrun any missile assuming it has a full afterburner fuel tank.

Now try being in combat and not using any fuel after your flares are down.

Originally Posted by Plaqueis

Sure, with more than 2 guys firing almost simultaneously and a pilot who doesn't flare and/or use afterburner to get behind anything...

Getting behind stuff does not work anymore, the missiles will fly through / around it (IDK, all I know is they can't be shook that way).

The striker use to have a bug that let missiles hit after the flair has been used. I don't know if that is still the case though.

MGP · 2013-09-04, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by SolLeks

Why yes, it can outrun any missile assuming it has a full afterburner fuel tank.

Now try being in combat and not using any fuel after your flares are down.

Well, if you're engaged in air combat and you have AA shooting at you, be it missiles or flak, you're either run away or just die. Either way, you're f***d. Striker is no special here.

PredatorFour · 2013-09-04, 06:30 AM

Go fly more MGP against TR then you will understand. As will most of the pro- striker movement, who coincidentally, all appear to be Terrans

MGP · 2013-09-04, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by PredatorFour

As will most of the pro- striker movement, who coincidentally, all appear to be Terrans

Even more coincidentally, all anti-striker talk goes from VS and NC. We have a major conspiracy going on here!

PredatorFour · 2013-09-04, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Even more coincidentally, all anti-striker talk goes from VS and NC. We have a major conspiracy going on here!

Yeh like when zoe was really op and still is, most VS did not deny that. I guess most TR wouldn't deny the striker being op against air.

MGP · 2013-09-04, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by PredatorFour

Yeh like when zoe was really op and still is, most VS did not deny that. I guess most TR wouldn't deny the striker being op against air.

Because it's not op.
Is it better then other 2 ESAV? Yes.
Is it better then dedicated G2A lockon? IMO, nope.
Is it as OP as forumside claims? Hell no!

BTW, my duel offer is still valid: http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...0&postcount=37

SolLeks · 2013-09-04, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Because it's not op.
Is it better then other 2 ESAV? Yes.
Is it better then dedicated G2A lockon? IMO, nope.
Is it as OP as forumside claims? Hell no!

BTW, my duel offer is still valid: http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...0&postcount=37

your duel offer is crap, knowing where the striker user is and only having him to worry about is not the problem. its the fact that striker can lock out of render range, does more damage per magazine than the other G2A options and the missiles are glitchy (not just a striker thing here, but w/e).

Also, the striker IS a pre-nerf annihilator. The annihilator was nerfed for a reason, why is it that the TR are the only faction to have the pre-nerf annihilator now?

Strikers are not OP one vs one, its the fact that every heavy that has half a brain can see that bringing a lock on that attacks both air and ground making all other choices kinda redundant. not having to make the choice of "do I attack air or ground" wile having no drawbacks is what is OP, also that means every TR is much more likely to have AA and anti tank than the other 2 factions combined. I don't care that you don't like it as I don't really like the phoenix myself (I only use the deci). Personal preference means nothing.

Blynd · 2013-09-04, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by SolLeks

your duel offer is crap, knowing where the striker user is and only having him to worry about is not the problem. its the fact that striker can lock out of render range, does more damage per magazine than the other G2A options and the missiles are glitchy (not just a striker thing here, but w/e).

Also, the striker IS a pre-nerf annihilator. The annihilator was nerfed for a reason, why is it that the TR are the only faction to have the pre-nerf annihilator now?

Strikers are not OP one vs one, its the fact that every heavy that has half a brain can see that bringing a lock on that attacks both air and ground making all other choices kinda redundant. not having to make the choice of "do I attack air or ground" wile having no drawbacks is what is OP, also that means every TR is much more likely to have AA and anti tank than the other 2 factions combined. I don't care that you don't like it as I don't really like the phoenix myself (I only use the deci). Personal preference means nothing.

What the smurf said

MGP · 2013-09-04, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by SolLeks

Also, the striker IS a pre-nerf annihilator. The annihilator was nerfed for a reason, why is it that the TR are the only faction to have the pre-nerf annihilator now?

When there will be NS camera guided rockets, and anti-materiel sniper rifles, you will have pre-nerf annihilators.

Originally Posted by SolLeks

Strikers are not OP one vs one, its the fact that every heavy that has half a brain can see that bringing a lock on that attacks both air and ground making all other choices kinda redundant.

Then it means what whole BRTD and me included got less then half brain, we prefer to run with dumbfire RLs, so you don't have to worry about MAXes and tanks up-close...

SolLeks · 2013-09-04, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

When there will be NS camera guided rockets, and anti-materiel sniper rifles, you will have pre-nerf annihilators.

Then it means what whole BRTD and me included got less then half brain, we prefer to run with dumbfire RLs, so you don't have to worry about MAXes and tanks up-close...

heh, I am not asking for a pre nerf annihilator, I am asking why the TR get to keep theirs.

Also, I only use dumbfire rockets myself however that is not the point. The striker scales to OP, and thats just how it is. I don't care if your platoon uses dumbfires as the platoon worth of randoms around you in the same fight all have strikers.

the other thing though is this argument is more or less moot since they plan on changing all lock ons (yay, no more F&F). Hopefully the patch comes soon.

Blynd · 2013-09-04, 02:14 PM

really you dont use the striker hey

you fired over 8k rockets and had more then 4k hit the target.
me thinks you lie sir

Bulltahr · 2013-09-05, 12:19 AM

Since the stryker nerf, it's only worth pulling for medium range defence and since most air uses flares it's only the noob pilots that get hit. I use the Deci heaps more these days. You can't even destroy a sundy with Stryker without a ammo resup. Very poor damage IMHO. Assists are the norm with Strykers..............

Plaqueis · 2013-09-05, 12:20 PM

This doesn't exactly fit to topic but still, just for example..

Stuff like this:

leads to this:

Which leads to this:

Sorry about the video quality...
I could dig up more stats, but i think the point is clearly visible there...

And this is from Cobalt primetime, it only gets worse on low-pop hours... i logged in, got the free certs and logged out.. i'm not playing cannonfodder for the ez-mode.

SolLeks · 2013-09-05, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bulltahr

Since the stryker nerf, it's only worth pulling for medium range defence and since most air uses flares it's only the noob pilots that get hit. I use the Deci heaps more these days. You can't even destroy a sundy with Stryker without a ammo resup. Very poor damage IMHO. Assists are the norm with Strykers..............

its not so much the fact that they kill me, its more that they have a huge area denial range which keeps any good pilots out of the area (thats their job) and have little to no drawbacks.