May 4th, the day the Terran Republic will stop!

[MrMak]

i like how your solution to a percieved problem (not that there is an actual problem) is LETS MAKE IT EVEN WORSE!


You sicken me.

[Juryrig]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Really long post comparing the three starter LMGs

Why not just pick up the fact that an NC sniper starts with a bolt-action rifle that is flat-out better than the semi-autos that TR and VS start with? Needs neither statistics, anecdotes or, really discussion.

Clearly SOE are happy that the 'differences between the Empires' should be significant enough that they don't all start with equal capability in all classes.

It's probably possible to show that NC get the clearly best starter Sniper Rifle, from your argument VS get the best starter LMG, someone who cared could probably go find a starter weapon for a TR class that is clearly superior to the NC and VS weapon for the same class...assault rifle, maybe.

Your argument leads logically to the conclusion that all the weapons available should be completely identical in performance, just with different skins. I don't want that, personally, I'd rather maintain the differences and accept that some people will always consider the perceived imbalances to be an issue.

*edited to add* it was a good post, though, nice to see the stats actually being analysed. I think you missed considering recoil recovery when talking about vertical recoil on the Gauss SAW, but I'm not sure. As we've occasionally had pops on Miller where VS and NC were equal I've been playing my NC recently (I always log in whichever has the lowest world pop) and it's really struck me how much plain better that gun seems compared to the early days. How much of that is down to player improvement is hard to judge, though.

[Thunderhawk]

Funny how most if the VS I play with either use the Pulsar LSW or the Flare and no one uses the Orion.

Maybe we're all missing something and just don't know about how apparantly overpowered our standard LMG is compared to the CARV.

[LoliLoveFart]

I read this entire thread and honestly it boils down to grass is greener and miss representing stats to maneuver people for your agenda.
The fact you think making a perceived problem worse is going to somehow make the devs magically go "fuck me we need to buff the TR" is childish.
That being said, the TR haven't received a ton of buffs because they don't require them.

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by Juryrig

Why not just pick up the fact that an NC sniper starts with a bolt-action rifle that is flat-out better than the semi-autos that TR and VS start with? Needs neither statistics, anecdotes or, really discussion.

Clearly SOE are happy that the 'differences between the Empires' should be significant enough that they don't all start with equal capability in all classes.

It's probably possible to show that NC get the clearly best starter Sniper Rifle, from your argument VS get the best starter LMG, someone who cared could probably go find a starter weapon for a TR class that is clearly superior to the NC and VS weapon for the same class...assault rifle, maybe.

Your argument leads logically to the conclusion that all the weapons available should be completely identical in performance, just with different skins. I don't want that, personally, I'd rather maintain the differences and accept that some people will always consider the perceived imbalances to be an issue.

*edited to add* it was a good post, though, nice to see the stats actually being analysed. I think you missed considering recoil recovery when talking about vertical recoil on the Gauss SAW, but I'm not sure. As we've occasionally had pops on Miller where VS and NC were equal I've been playing my NC recently (I always log in whichever has the lowest world pop) and it's really struck me how much plain better that gun seems compared to the early days. How much of that is down to player improvement is hard to judge, though.

Dude, I don´t think you read all the analysis, the Gauss Saw is even better them the TMG-50! The Gauss Saw is better the almost all TR LMG, maybe only losing it for the m32 Bull (in some situations), while the NC got at least 3 better LMG them the Gauss Saw.
Also forgot to mention that all weapons with just one way horizontal recoil are easier to handle them most weapons, that´s why I use the MSW-R and the Lynx (no longer, already auraxis with the Lynx).
Also we only got the MSW-R with that single horizontal recoil, while the NC got the GD-22S and the Anchor, the VS got the Polaris and the Pulsar. The only left LMG with that feature is the NS-15m, that really sucks, but I am already considerating to buy it just because of that, it is only bad that it pull to the left while all the other to the right.

Originally Posted by LoliLoveFart

I read this entire thread and honestly it boils down to grass is greener and miss representing stats to maneuver people for your agenda.
The fact you think making a perceived problem worse is going to somehow make the devs magically go "fuck me we need to buff the TR" is childish.
That being said, the TR haven't received a ton of buffs because they don't require them.

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

Originally Posted by bpostal

You mean you didn't vote!?

Yeah, those NC guys really don´t get it!

[Bravix]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

Only weapon that I'd say was truly under powered in PS1 for TR was the Cycler, and really, it wasn't that bad. Just wasn't quite at the same level.

MCG was a god among men. Great at long range and pretty god close range. Not as good as the Jackhammer close range obviously, but it was in every way better than the shitty post-nerf lasher.

MAXs, quite loved the TR ones. Especially for taking out BFRs.

Striker could hunt targets through f-ing forests. I always thought the AV was pretty balanced, though the Phoenix was just annoying as hell (less so in PS2).

[bpostal]

Originally Posted by Bravix

...
Striker could hunt targets through f-ing forests....

I'd argue that there is little more that was frustrating than trying to use the striker in a wooded area. The fucking rockets kept hitting trees.

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by bpostal

I'd argue that there is little more that was frustrating than trying to use the striker in a wooded area. The fucking rockets kept hitting trees.

He is talking about the pre-nerf Striker, where you could fire the missiles to the air and them target the enemy max for the win! Even on woodlands.
After it got really bad nerfed we had to adapt to it. If you lost the lock for one second, it was a waste.

[camycamera]

May 4th, the day the TR will loose all the continents if this actually happens!

[ToySoldierNN]

The TR is nothing more than something for the VS and NC to shoot at while the devs attempt to gag themselves to death on VS and NC cocks.

I have played TR for nearly a decade. I regret this a great deal playing Mattherson these days. I cancelled my premium sub months ago, Iv used the last of my Aplha Squad cash (purchased back in beta), doubtful I will ever put another cent into this game.

Its not worth the time with a game that the devs cant find thier own ass with two hands on an IP that is a decade old.

[bpostal]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

He is talking about the pre-nerf Striker, where you could fire the missiles to the air and them target the enemy max for the win! Even on woodlands.
After it got really bad nerfed we had to adapt to it. If you lost the lock for one second, it was a waste.

Ah, must have been before I was introduced to the game. Is it too late to ask SOE to change it back (or even better, add this functionality to PS2's Striker)?

[ThatGoatGuy]

Originally Posted by LoliLoveFart

I read this entire thread and honestly it boils down to grass is greener and miss representing stats to maneuver people for your agenda.
The fact you think making a perceived problem worse is going to somehow make the devs magically go "fuck me we need to buff the TR" is childish.
That being said, the TR haven't received a ton of buffs because they don't require them.

Thank god I didn't have to type this out myself.

[VaderShake]

I have to laugh at the TR whining, congradulations you have now passed the Vanu in your whineyness.

Remember when the game launched and the NC was always less populated? The TR and Vanu scoffed and laughed and puffed their tiny chests out. Now that the NC population is higher they run and whine.....pathedic. Where is this so called faction loyalty and pride all the people in the forums were claiming when PS2 launched??? Oh, yea that's right it's the devs fault....the game will be constantly in development and will change month to month for a long time to come but when they think the going get's a little tough the TR tuck your tails and hide. Pathetic....

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by VaderShake

I have to laugh at the TR whining, congradulations you have now passed the Vanu in your whineyness.

Remember when the game launched and the NC was always less populated? The TR and Vanu scoffed and laughed and puffed their tiny chests out. Now that the NC population is higher they run and whine.....pathedic. Where is this so called faction loyalty and pride all the people in the forums were claiming when PS2 launched??? Oh, yea that's right it's the devs fault....the game will be constantly in development and will change month to month for a long time to come but when they think the going get's a little tough the TR tuck your tails and hide. Pathetic....

let me guess you read the first post and then skipped to the bottom of the page and wrote this. Well I can't blame you NC knuckle draggers and brow furlers for having trouble with more than a paragraph strung together, guess upper managment don't want their worker bee's thinking to much.

[KesTro]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

lol..

I've got to say after reading this thread and other threads in which you've posted in OP. Your information you use and the points you argue are invalid and skewed in your favor. You'll take one part of the story that benefits what you want and then leave out the rest while dodging facts that other players bring up. That being said, you're not the only one that does this so I can't really get on your case about it too much.

IE: NERF EVERYONE EXCEPT ME - Sincerely: Planetside Playerbase