News: Bolt Driver - Page 12

xSlideShow · 2012-02-11, 11:25 PM

I don't think the sniping is going to be anything like PS1. Or I at least hope not.

Vancha · 2012-02-12, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Fenrys

It would annoying if the option of using the PS1 bolt driver were available to just one empire, and the other 2 could only use the HSR.

From the way Higby described it, your comparison is way exaggerating the damage difference there'll be between the empires' snipers.

The bolt driver doing more damage in a single hit than the TR sniper doesn't automatically make it "way OP". What matters is how much more damage it can do and how many shots it takes each sniper to kill a target.

From here on I'm assuming both rifles have been upgraded to do as much damage as possible...

It sounds like a bolt driver and a TR sniper will be pretty closely matched. Remember we're talking about guns that'll probably take 2-3 shots to kill (headshots aside)...A 10% damage difference wouldn't amount to very much and even less when it comes with a 10% RoF difference as well.

Now if it turned out that the Bolt Driver could take away 99% of someone's life in a single shot where the TR sniper could only take away 51%, I'd be in agreement with you, but I really don't think that'll be the case.

CutterJohn · 2012-02-12, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

I'm here for ya.

I'm here for you*.

HitbackTR · 2012-02-12, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by xSlideShow

I don't think the sniping is going to be anything like PS1. Or I at least hope not.

Sniping in PS1 was balanced, I hope for the same in PS2.

HELLFISH88 · 2012-02-12, 12:49 AM

I approve New Conglomerate Week.

Zulthus · 2012-02-12, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

I'm here for you*.

Thanks, fixed.

MGP · 2012-02-12, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Vancha

From the way Higby described it, your comparison is way exaggerating the damage difference there'll be between the empires' snipers.

The bolt driver doing more damage in a single hit than the TR sniper doesn't automatically make it "way OP". What matters is how much more damage it can do and how many shots it takes each sniper to kill a target.

From here on I'm assuming both rifles have been upgraded to do as much damage as possible...

It sounds like a bolt driver and a TR sniper will be pretty closely matched. Remember we're talking about guns that'll probably take 2-3 shots to kill (headshots aside)...A 10% damage difference wouldn't amount to very much and even less when it comes with a 10% RoF difference as well.

Now if it turned out that the Bolt Driver could take away 99% of someone's life in a single shot where the TR sniper could only take away 51%, I'd be in agreement with you, but I really don't think that'll be the case.

I'm pretty sure, what fully upgraded NC sniper will be one-shot-kill. While other ES rifles with same upgrades will likely require multiple shots to take down target (TR one, for sure). And for snipers, the first shot damage is most important. Look at the current latest shooters, there are auto-load fast shooting sniper rifles, but almost no one is using them, everyone prefer slow shooting, more damaging types.

TL;DR Smurfs will be best snipers in PS2.

Atheosim · 2012-02-12, 03:56 AM

I feel it's safe to say that every sniper rifle will be osok if it is a headshot. I feel it's equally safe to say that no sniper rifle will be osok if it's not a headshot.

Nobody likes AWPs.

Vancha · 2012-02-12, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

I'm pretty sure, what fully upgraded NC sniper will be one-shot-kill.

On what basis?

DxC · 2012-02-12, 05:51 AM

Well that sucks I do not want to play NC but I like sniping and the Bolt Driver... ugh

I hope all empires get a sniper rifle of some sort I really do!!

Redshift · 2012-02-12, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by DxC

Well that sucks I do not want to play NC but I like sniping and the Bolt Driver... ugh

I hope all empires get a sniper rifle of some sort I really do!!

Yea i kind of agree, i hope they manage to balance these things or the pops will never be equal.
Everything was pretty close in PS1 we saw a fairly even 1:1:1 split as people just rolled what looked best, if one teams design philosophy gives better weapons this time round that won't happen

DayOne · 2012-02-12, 08:34 AM

It will likely be so that an NC sniper does, for example, 90 damage on body shot and other rifles have a maximum of 85 on body but with a slightly higher fire rate. Both will multiply to a OSOK headshot if that is what's being planned.

Something along those lines.

Hmr85 · 2012-02-12, 08:43 AM

I don't know why people are freaking out about the bolt driver being NC exclusive. The other 2 factions I am sure will get their own version of a sniper rifle.

Look at it this way. Sure the NC have the Bolt Driver. It may do slightly more damage than the other rifles. Just like all the other NC weapons but at a slower rate of fire.

Where as the TR version of the rifle does less damage than the Bolt Driver but they can fire more frequently than the NC version.

As for the VS. I wouldn't be surprised if its some form of a laser sniper rifle that fits somewhere in the middle of the NC version and TR version.

Its all going to work out in the end. Stop freaking out about it.

To help better explain please see examples below.

NC: Bolt Driver - 90dmg - 3 sec reload
TR: ????? Rifle - 80dmg - 1.5 sec reload
VS: Laser Rifle- 85dmg - 2.5 sec reload

FastAndFree · 2012-02-12, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Hmr85

NC: Bolt Driver - 90dmg - 3 sec reload
TR: ????? Rifle - 80dmg - 1.5 sec reload
VS: Laser Rifle- 85dmg - 2.5 sec reload

That would make the TR one twice as good as the NC in the vast majority of situations

Redshift · 2012-02-12, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hmr85

Look at it this way. Sure the NC have the Bolt Driver. It may do slightly more damage than the other rifles. Just like all the other NC weapons but at a slower rate of fire.

That's the reason the JH was the ultimate cqc weapon in PS1, front loaded damage has a faster ttk

Think of it this way;
NC 50 dmg 2 second fire
TR 25 dmg 1 second fire

Overtime these do the same dps, in practice the NC kills in 2 seconds, the TR takes 4, they both get to do any dmg over 100 on 4 seconds.

Same with the old JH and MCG, they were balanced over time; in the field the JH was far superior.

I'm not saying it's not possible to balance these, but dmg/RoF do not play as well with eachother as you think.