Gun Control - Page 12

Warborn · 2012-07-28, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by SecSRaven

Would it have stopped a psycho killer from killing people if he wanted to? Nope.

If he couldn't easily get an assault rifle anywhere, yeah, it would have made the idea of walking into a theatre and shooting people an even dumber idea. If he walked in there with a sawn off shotgun that could only hold three shells, or a bolt action rifle with a 5-round magazine, he'd have maybe killed a couple people, wounded a couple others, but then he'd be standing there in in the dark, wearing a gasmask and gloves, trying to reload individual rounds by hand as adrenaline is making his hands shake and people are yelling and screaming and running around in a panic. Plenty of time to either be disarmed or for people to run away.

Acting like there was nothing that could be done legislatively to make stuff of that magnitude virtually impossible to pull off is ridiculous.

SecSRaven · 2012-07-28, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

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No, it wouldn't have.. and it's a moot point.. Guns were not allowed in the place the Auroa, Colorado murdered happened.

"Plenty of time to either be disarmed or for people to run away."

Not when people are screaming and going to the same direction. It makes them easier targets.

"Acting like there was nothing that could be done legislatively to make stuff of that magnitude virtually impossible to pull off is ridiculous."

If a psychopath wants to shoot up a place.. he will shoot up a place and no one would be able to stop him before his rampage ended.. So no, it wouldn't make it impossible. Hard to get.. sure.. but you are making everyone else easy targets.

KimJongLulz · 2012-07-29, 02:34 AM

The gun has played a critical role in history. An invention which has been praised and denounced... served hero and villain alike.. and carries with it moral responsibility. To understand the gun, is to better understand history. -Tales of the Gun

As a proud gun owner....

I'm sorry....Gun control would never work. You have a culture in America that is surrounded and forged by the gun...if it weren't for firearms we wouldn't be the country we are today...we wouldn't be the United States, do you think the founding fathers simply said "We're independent."? NO they had to raise an army to defend its fledgling dream of a nation. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT CLEARLY SAYING "The right to bear arms shall not be infringed."

Also people trying to ban guns...are idiots. Saying I want to ban all guns is basically saying I want to ban all guns from legal owners (I.E. Me...) If you say something is banned that doesn't mean it just disappears. Getting a firearm illegally would be easy, a gun ban would only increase illegal firearm activity because the criminals have to be armed some how right?

BASICALLY..here's a few lovely pictures...

Neurotoxin · 2012-07-29, 04:59 AM

Gun control =/= giving the government your guns.

Requiring firearm registration =/= gun control.

If you are afraid that the government will eventually take guns from you and your community, you have to organize as a community to develop a plan of action.

We have higher standards for gaining access to cars than we do guns, and I am pretty sure most Americans use cars more than they use guns. I had to pass a test to get my license, I had to fill out paperwork and verify my identity to buy my car, but I can go to a gun show and buy a high-power assault rifle without showing ID? Something is wrong with that picture. And you can be damn sure that the cops are going to come looking for me if my car is involved in any incident, whereas they have nowhere to look when unregistered firearms have been used in a crime.

So divorce yourself from the idea of gun registration being the equivalent of the government taking everyone's guns, or even the right to carry them. Just because the government knows someone has guns doesn't mean they are going to come over and take them (though through legal trickery they can do this anyway) and if the government ever does enact an anti-firearm policy, that's where community organization is key in resisting the advances of a fully defunct government.

What is the point of having your weapons to defend against a corrupt government if you are not going to use them when the government comes to take them? If you do plan to resist (should that time arrive in your lifetime) then I hope that you have the entire community on the same page, otherwise cops will be going door-to-door (whether or not the person actually owns firearms) disarming everyone of all potential weapons until nobody has guns or even a knife over 4" anymore. I don't even see how a lack of gun registration would prevent that situation, and without a well-organized community, presence or lack of gun registration wouldn't even matter when the police come knocking on your door.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-07-29, 11:11 AM

I've sat by and laughed at the self serving military chest thumping and general ignorance of this thread but I am now going to grace you all with my infinite wisdom and put an end to this silly debate once and for all.

First - Are you from Canada, Europe, or any other third world shit hole? If so shut the fuck up because you will never have any influence over our domestic rights which are granted by the U.S. Constitution.

Second - Do you have an FFL and are you privy to the workings of U.S. firearms law both federal and state? No? You too can shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

If you are afraid that the government will eventually take guns from you and your community, you have to organize as a community to develop a plan of action.

It'll never happen because a large sect of the U.S. military which is still made up of mostly right wingers wouldn't never turn on their own citizens. The biggest threat you would face is local law enforcement.

We have higher standards for gaining access to cars than we do guns

Owning a firearm is a right whereas owning a car is a privilege. As far as "higher standards?" I will get to that next.

and I am pretty sure most Americans use cars more than they use guns.

What is the relevance of this?

I had to pass a test to get my license, I had to fill out paperwork and verify my identity to buy my car, but I can go to a gun show and buy a high-power assault rifle without showing ID?

When you wish to purchase a firearm in this country you must head to an authorized FFL holder like myself and provide proper identification which is phoned into the State Police for a criminal background check. If the State Police give me the OK to sell you a firearm I may then legally sell you a firearm.

As for the whole gun show thing you do know that the sale between two private individuals of the same state is 100% legal, as it should be...right? No? I didn't think so.

What the ignorant such as yourself claim is that at gun shows you can just go in and buy a gun without a background check. What they don't say is that those sales would have to be between two private individuals at the gun show.

An FFL dealer can not sell a gun to you at a gun show or anywhere else without requiring a background check and doing all of the paperwork he/she would have to perform at their own store front.

Private individuals of the same state can sell or trade guns without a background check or transfer through an FFL through classified ads, gun shows or whatever.

What people like to point out that as many as 50% of the sellers (people who get a table/booth) at a gun show do not hold FFL's. The reality is, many of these sellers aren't even selling guns. Most tend to be retailers who sell T-Shirts, clothes, beef jerky, hunting and shooting gear, books, coins, other collectibles. You'll often even find pro-gun politicians who've set up booths to campaign for elections.

The "Gun Show Loophole" is painted by anti-gunners as a unique method of getting around a law through the use of gun shows, when in reality, it is simply a gathering of gun enthusiasts who are free to purchase guns, ammo, and other gear from FFL's and/or private sellers.

PS: "high-power assault rifle" - Really? Are you really using those buzz words in your argument? Listen kid, there isn't a single assault rifle on this planet that I'd consider to be high-powered especially since they all fire intermediate cartridges.

Something is wrong with that picture. And you can be damn sure that the cops are going to come looking for me if my car is involved in any incident, whereas they have nowhere to look when unregistered firearms have been used in a crime.

Every firearm which is made and legally sold comes with a serial number on the weapon which is required to be written down and kept by the FFL dealer. Whenever I make a purchase I legally have to record the drivers license and ID of the customer along with the serial number of the firearm sold to that customer.

That information can be retrieved by the police so long as they have a warrant for such so what is the purpose of registration again? That's right there isn't one.

Congratulations Neurotoxin - In about 6 minutes I have shown you to be just another ignorant person who parrots bull shit he/she has heard from people with an agenda.

KimJongLulz · 2012-07-29, 12:19 PM

I also love and enjoy when someone brings this gem to the gun control table.

"Only law enforcement and the military should have firearms."

HAH! Last I recalled, the Supreme Court ruled the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

The military's job is to protect the nation and uphold the Constitution, nice to see that during Hurrican Katrina or whatever the piss...the military did no such thing. THEY TOOK FIREARMS FROM LEGAL OWNERS IN PLACES THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN HIT THAT BADLY! THEY WENT INTO THE DRY LAND AND CONFISCATED FIREARMS ILLEGALLY! As far as I am concerned, anyone that hasn't come out and denounced or protest that is technically a traitor in my eyes and should be eliminated with extreme prejudice, then again the military isn't the sharpest light bulb in the cereal box (no offense.) and follow orders to the word. You can always deny to follow an order you see unfit or unconstitutional...but who cares anymore today?

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-07-29, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by KimJongLulz

then again the military isn't the sharpest light bulb in the cereal box (no offense.) and follow orders to the word. You can always deny to follow an order you see unfit or unconstitutional...but who cares anymore today?

No offense? Please, most people who are in the military nowadays are fucking morons and those that were in tout it around so they can get some half-hearted "thanks" from people.

Every time I hear some idiot talk about their "service" I ask myself "Is this the part where I am supposed to say thanks or something?"

KimJongLulz · 2012-07-29, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

No offense? Please, most people who are in the military nowadays are fucking morons and those that were in tout it around so they can get some half-hearted "thanks" from people.

Every time I hear some idiot talk about their "service" I ask myself "Is this the part where I am supposed to say thanks or something?"

Heh its a shame what the military has turned into.

It used to be a great institution...now its just a easy way to get "money". Of course the recruiters will lie to you on end. You'll never see the fine print.

I will give any military member a thumbs up as long as they don't act like loud obnoxious a'holes that claimed "I defended your freedom and you're speaking English thanks to me." Its even more enjoyable to hear that statement from a POG....yeah you sat in a private air conditioned billet stapling reports...good job. I'll give a thumbs up to an infantryman if they don't follow the same form.

It varies I guess.

BUT to the gun control topic...those mean evil guns...how dare he do that...he should of called the cops! This isnt the wild west anymore.

My ass.

Figment · 2012-07-29, 02:15 PM

You gun nuts do realise we in Europe used to have people wear swords and all as civilians? They were so widespread they were more than an epidemic. Both the good and bad guys had them.

And guess how many swords are around now?

Saying it's impossible to remove weapons is simply saying you don't have the motivation to.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-07-29, 02:42 PM

Pretty sure it has more to do with swords going out of style than a concerted effort to remove swords.

Either way we're not getting rid of our guns, we like them and there isn't anything you Eurotrash ******* can do about it.

Figment · 2012-07-29, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Pretty sure it has more to do with swords going out of style than a concerted effort to remove swords.

Either way we're not getting rid of our guns, we like them and there isn't anything you Eurotrash ******* can do about it.

Pretty sure it became illegal to walk the street with swords.

So, when are guns going out of style?

KimJongLulz · 2012-07-29, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

You gun nuts do realise we in Europe used to have people wear swords and all as civilians? They were so widespread they were more than an epidemic. Both the good and bad guys had them.

And guess how many swords are around now?

Saying it's impossible to remove weapons is simply saying you don't have the motivation to.

I cant remember the picture....but it was

"A free british man could wear a sword, now and days hes arrested for the smallest pocket knife."

Its a shame.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-07-29, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

Pretty sure it became illegal to walk the street with swords.

So, when are guns going out of style?

I figure they'll go out of style about the same time the opinions of some half-wit, emasculated European matters over here to us Americans.

In other-words: Never.

Figment · 2012-07-29, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by KimJongLulz

I cant remember the picture....but it was

"A free british man could wear a sword, now and days hes arrested for the smallest pocket knife."

Its a shame.

"Free british men" tend to stab things that don't belong into other people too. Some say this happens with other foreign objects too.

Shame really. They spoil it for everyone else.

RawketLawnchair · 2012-07-29, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

You gun nuts do realise we in Europe used to have people wear swords and all as civilians? They were so widespread they were more than an epidemic. Both the good and bad guys had them.

And guess how many swords are around now?

Saying it's impossible to remove weapons is simply saying you don't have the motivation to.

Yet police officers and men in pubs get stabbed all the time.
All over the world.

Hey everyone, lets ban letter openers.