PS2 confirmed to only have servers in one area of USA - Page 12

Phellix · 2012-06-13, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

its irrelevant where they plan to be, its the fact that they plan to do it.

Because they can never change their decisions, right?

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

is this a serious question? given SOEs track record of releasing amazing games then fucking them with continued development im gonna have to go with more server locations, no brainer.

EverQuest and EverQuest 2 got worse with time? Even Vanguard which was largely abandoned got better.

I think you're maybe focusing on BFRs? Everyone makes mistakes.

Regardless, your opinion isn't everyone's. I'd prefer they develop the game, release it, then if they have the money and inclination to do so, expand to new datacenters.

Kinda like, oh, I dunno, some other mega-successful MMO . . .

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by elfailo

Suppose they have money for 20 servers in the US. How much difference would it really make to put 10 of them in the EC vs. all in the same location? It's still the same amount of servers, and maintenance is probably outsourced anyway. It's probably more expensive, but by how much? Nobody knows. The question is if it would outweigh the lower amount of income due to all the people that aren't going to be playing it.

SOE has on-site datacenters in Rancho Bernardo. The rent there is "free" because they already have the site locked down. The bandwidth is already there, and can be moved upwards for far less expenditure than were they to try and do that at a location they do not control.

Either co-location or building of a new datacenter elsewhere is WAY more money.

I think you're just not aware of how much money is actually involved in servers, hosting them, and providing bandwidth to them. That's not a condemnation. Most laypeople do not understand what a cost the hardware side (including staffing, rent, power, contracts with providers, etc.) actually is.

**Malorn** · 2012-06-13, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by elfailo

It doesn't matter man, it's always worse than having multiple options. Either they're on WC, in which case international clans with EU players are screwed, or they're on EC, in which case international clans with Oceanic players are screwed. The fact that they've decided on 1 location is enough to understand that it's going to be worse off.

....or they could be in the Midwest/Texas and have a good ping to both coasts.

Euros are a wash. If you want a good ping you wouldn't choose a server on another continent. At that point it isn't going to be much of a difference between Texas and Virginia.

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by elfailo

And if we all sit here, religiously drooling over screenshots and gameplay footage and cheering and applauding at everything they do without ever thinking about the possible consequences or letting them know that we're not OK with some of their choices, they'd be more prone to change it for the better, right?

If we all sit here and claim the sky is falling before a) confirmation of a decision and b) actually seeing the decision in action it's no good either.

I'm not saying you can't be concerned. I am saying people should be patient and not make it a bigger thing than it is.

Khorneholio · 2012-06-13, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Zhane

I have an idea. Wait to play the game and see if it's laggy. If it is, then complain.

Isn't it a much better idea to discuss this issue while there's still a chance of affecting change? Once their infrastructure is built, rent paid, and servers humming along, it's going to be damn nigh impossible for SOE to uproot the operation and switch locations.

So, when you say to just wait till we're playing and then ask for change if it's necessary... what you're really saying is we should just wait until it's too late to do anything about it and just hope it all turns out ok.

SKYeXile · 2012-06-13, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Karmic Revenge

EverQuest and EverQuest 2 got worse with time? Even Vanguard which was largely abandoned got better.

I think you're maybe focusing on BFRs? Everyone makes mistakes.

Regardless, your opinion isn't everyone's. I'd prefer they develop the game, release it, then if they have the money and inclination to do so, expand to new datacenters.

Kinda like, oh, I dunno, some other mega-successful MMO . . .

im focusing on planetside in general...core combat, CE, hacking expansions, change of pace...and yes BFRs, oh yes...and NGE..you know about NGE right?

Originally Posted by Phellix

Because they can never change their decisions, right?

hopefully they will with 10 pages of RAGE generated in about 7 hours. they wont change anything though if we sit tight and continue to suck down the cock they're serving up.

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

....or they could be in the Midwest/Texas and have a good ping to both coasts.

And worse in Oceania and the Pacific Rim.

Or did you forget about them?

Besides, that's subjective. I bet right now I could get a Speedtest.net test to somewhere on the east coast better than somewhere in the midwest.

There is no perfect solution for everyone.

Phellix · 2012-06-13, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by elfailo

Suppose they have money for 20 servers in the US. How much difference would it really make to put 10 of them in the EC vs. all in the same location? It's still the same amount of servers, and maintenance is probably outsourced anyway. It's probably more expensive, but by how much? Nobody knows. The question is if it would outweigh the lower amount of income due to all the people that aren't going to be playing it.

People can huff and puff all they want about not playing but when it comes down to it it's a free game, they have a plan and i'm sure they've already taken every consideration into that plan before they even said anything about the POSSIBILITY of only one server location. We simply don't have enough information on what their plan is and people need to calm the fuck down. Beta hasn't even started yet and you guys are already making the decision you're not gonna play if it isn't to your liking.

Phellix · 2012-06-13, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

hopefully they will with 10 pages of RAGE generated in about 7 hours. they wont change anything though if we sit tight and continue to suck down the cock they're serving up.

They haven't served anything.

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Khorneholio

Isn't it a much better idea to discuss this issue while there's still a chance of affecting change? Once their infrastructure is built, rent paid, and servers humming along, it's going to be damn nigh impossible for SOE to uproot the operation and switch locations.

I have news for you.

It's already built. The rent is already paid. SOE has had their datacenters on campus for over a decade. Starting with EverQuest.

So, by your logic, everyone in this thread should actually give up.

Personally I think everyone in this thread should wait for Beta and see what it's like. Then we feedback. You know, like Beta Testers are supposed to do.

SKYeXile · 2012-06-13, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Phellix

People can huff and puff all they want about not playing but when it comes down to it it's a free game, they have a plan and i'm sure they've already taken every consideration into that plan before they even said anything about the POSSIBILITY of only one server location. We simply don't have enough information on what their plan is and people need to calm the fuck down. Beta hasn't even started yet and you guys are already making the decision you're not gonna play if it isn't to your liking.

what does it been a free game have to do with somebody huffing and puffing about not playing? I'm not seeing the connection. you might have an agrument if it was B2P and they already have your money, but been F2P they want you to continue to play, people arnt going to continue to play if the experience is shit.

**Malorn** · 2012-06-13, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Karmic Revenge

And worse in Oceania and the Pacific Rim.

Or did you forget about them?

Besides, that's subjective. I bet right now I could get a Speedtest.net test to somewhere on the east coast better than somewhere in the midwest.

There is no perfect solution for everyone.

Again, you're across an ocean. Difference between San Diego and Texas is a drop in the bucket at that point.

And you're right. There is no perfect solution. But there's a pretty good one in the middle of Texas.

Karmic Revenge · 2012-06-13, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

im focusing on planetside in general...core combat, CE, hacking expansions, change of pace...and yes BFRs, oh yes...and NGE..you know about NGE right?

NGE from SWG? The one that came about because LA was determined to have their game be WoW before there was a WoW? A licensor pushing their licensee around and it turning out badly? That never happens . . .

As a general rule SOE has done a good job with their products and making them consistently better over time. For my money both EQ and EQ2 are phenomenal titles. I played them for years and enjoyed myself even as things changed.

hopefully they will with 10 pages of RAGE generated in about 7 hours. they wont change anything though if we sit tight and continue to suck down the cock they're serving up.

It's not all rage, plenty of it is people like myself who are pointing out that patience is a virtue, as is first hand experience.

TheDrone · 2012-06-13, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

Wow.. this thread is just.. wow...

Okay so first off, yes having all the servers in the NA in one place is a very bad idea. Because it's a very bad idea Bags wants to up awareness about this Very Bad Idea. And I completely agree that having them all in once place would be a Very Bad Idea. Getting awareness of the choice up is a good thing if only so that SOE accountants don't get blind sided if the decision to save money and only buy space in one location for the servers doesn't work out.

From here on I'm more on the sides of NO ONE ELSE except maybe the Aussies or the Euros that want to play on NA servers.

Pings, packet loss, jitter, excreta, excreta.. are only conditions based originally from that original point which imo isn't actually the issue.

I should say that I live about 100 miles north of San Diego, but I using both speedtest.net and pingtest.net sites I get pings to Austin TX at 65ms, 0 Jitter (w/e that is), Brooklyn NY at 98ms 1ms jitter, and Chicago IL at 76ms and 2ms jitter, and Maidenhead, England at 186ms and 1ms jitter.

I frequently play Source based FPS games (which supposedly are notoriously bad at networking) and anything with less than 200 I'm fine. When it goes over 120-150 it's annoying but livable, and again that is with a game built with a supposedly terrible networking base code.

I can see that some people are more sensitive to ping than others and I'm seriously not trying to be rude here, but seriously stop being such fucking babies about it. So what you're more sensitive to higher ping just means that you've got more twitch than other people.

Also I know that some people aren't reading this post anymore because I was suddenly rude, but telling Kaffis and Electrofreak off for actually trying to help alleviate your worries, even if it was done in such a way as to possibly be taken as rude only reenforces the image that you're just being a bunch of spoiled whiny brats.

Edit: Sometimes you need to be a complete asshole to get people to see reason and honestly I hate doing that. :/

Excellent reply.

Honestly, the amount of childish hysteria and hyperbole in this thread is mind-boggling.

There is as of yet not enough information to make a correct assessment of the effect this will have on people's playing experience.

I live in western Europe and I have a 168 ping 1ms jitter to LA. So, yea. That's actually playable.

But god forbid someone who knows networks actually comes in and is only slightly (far less than I would be) annoyed by the high-pitched whinging.

This doesn't even slightly cut it:

This doesn't mean I agree to use only one NA server location, tho. Which is btw, "almost certain".