Higby on Magriders - Page 14

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-20, 03:54 PM

lol? ^

Rothnang · 2013-02-20, 04:05 PM

Yea, laugh it up. It really just shows that you don't have a good defense for yourself.

From now on Prowlers are the overpowered tank, and day after day more people will come to realize it and complain about it until it gets shat on hard. Any kind of reasonable argument or concern from TR players will be ignored, ridiculed and met with insults, because if you defend the overpowered tank you don't deserve to speak.

Enjoy.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-20, 04:12 PM

I was not aware I was defending anything.

I'm just disagreeing with you.

Rothnang · 2013-02-20, 04:21 PM

You're not fooling anyone. Anyone who says anything other than Prowlers are overpowered from now on is obviously up to no good.

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-20, 04:39 PM

KaskaMatej · 2013-02-20, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

I was not aware I was defending anything.

I'm just disagreeing with you.

He is right though albeit slightly over-exaggerating.

Prowlers splash does 1000 damage per shot, which is enough to kill anyone without flak/nanoweave armour or nano-armour cloaking/HA shield activated, in one shot. Mind you, Prowlers have ability to shoot two shots with combined damage of 2000 splash which kills anyone regardless (except for MAX).

They are on par (well, slightly better) with other tanks in anti-tank capabilities but still much superior in anti-infantry. They are, as a whole, over-powered.

Rothnang · 2013-02-20, 04:53 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXKl_0yFfQ

Prowlers are completely overpowered, they are still just as good as they were before at everything they used to be good at, plus twice as good as they were before at killing ALL armored vehicles, not just Magriders, which they weren't even ever particularly bad at if you equipped them right.

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-20, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXKl_0yFfQ

Prowlers are completely overpowered, they are still just as good as they were before at everything they used to be good at, plus twice as good as they were before at killing ALL armored vehicles, not just Magriders, which they weren't even ever particularly bad at if you equipped them right.

20(AP)-25(HEAT)% better, damage wise. That's not counting the velocity increase, which probably won't account for another 75-80% increase in performance.

As a side note. There's one thing that's really starting to piss me off. Not knowing the exact MBT armour stats. Why can't one of the devs simply come out and give us the exact and up to date information, instead of having us rely on gathered information that isn't always correct or up to date. I'm really tired of having to look all over the place for the correct information.
The site with, what I think is the most accurate information, still doesn't seem to be accurate when adding in Higby's reddit comments.

typhaon · 2013-02-20, 05:03 PM

Taking a second look at the charts, just noticed the different scales...

So basically, Prowlers are OP vs. both NC and VS MBT... and, though we don't have chats... we're pretty sure they farm infantry like nobody's business.

Conclusion: Prowlers need a nerf.

Question: How'd this make it live? I remember even seeing SOE commentary that this (Prowlers being OP) was likely going to happen... Was it not tested? Can't the "balance guy/girl" run some basic numbers on damage, etc.?

maradine · 2013-02-20, 05:06 PM

Damage and KDR aren't the only factors in balance, even if you believe the three MBTs should be "equal". Which I don't.

typhaon · 2013-02-20, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Damage and KDR aren't the only factors in balance, even if you believe the three MBTs should be "equal". Which I don't.

I can accept that.

But when you have a game that is essentially based around farming score... when one element suddenly gets the ability to seemingly farm score (certs) twice as good as it did before and significantly better than options in the other empires (nevermind whatever tactical advantages it might have in a 'war')... that's going to have quite an impact on the game and player opinions of that change.

Rothnang · 2013-02-20, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Damage and KDR aren't the only factors in balance, even if you believe the three MBTs should be "equal". Which I don't.

Of course not, which is exactly why I don't think the balance changes were perfect just because they nudged tank on tank K/D to a roughly equal point. (With Prowlers still being ahead)

The fact is and remains, the Prowler wasn't useless before the patch just because it couldn't consistently outfight Magriders, and it just got a huge buff to fighting armored vehicles without touching any of its other capabilities, and we aren't shown any data on it either.

maradine · 2013-02-20, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by typhaon

I can accept that.

But when you have a game that is essentially based around farming score... when one element suddenly gets the ability to seemingly farm score (certs) twice as good as it did before and significantly better than options in the other empires (nevermind whatever tactical advantages it might have in a 'war')... that's going to have quite an impact on the game and player opinions of that change.

Perhaps, but we won't have a game based around farming score forever. One, the game is moving towards a real metagame. Two, people who are just here to run up that number will leave.

Supplemental to that, I don't have any particular care if there are more effective cert farming strategies than what I do to get enjoyment out of the game. Should I also be upset that some people have more time to play than I? That bigger boosts are leveling faster than I am? That vehicle whoring is generally more cert-efficient than fighting on foot?

So what.

typhaon · 2013-02-20, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Perhaps, but we won't have a game based around farming score forever. One, the game is moving towards a real metagame. Two, people who are just here to run up that number will leave.

Supplemental to that, I don't have any particular care if there are more effective cert farming strategies than what I do to get enjoyment out of the game. Should I also be upset that some people have more time to play than I? That bigger boosts are leveling faster than I am? That vehicle whoring is generally more cert-efficient than fighting on foot?

So what.

Being able to splatter the enemy at such rates is going to have an impact on the game, no matter the direction of the metagame. Right now, we have this endgame, so I'd hope balance changes would make sense in the present.

Boosts don't really apply. All empires have equal access.

How much time you have to play doesn't seem to apply to the discussion.

People do care about vehicle whoring. It isn't just that it IS more efficient... I think people kind of accept that, as long as it is mitigated by things like resources, timers, multiple operators, etc... it's about the degree. See: Liberator, ESF, and HE (particularly with Lightnings) balancing.

* Since we're theoretically moving away from KDR and emphasing score... I'd love to see a graph that shows 'average score generated' by each MBT. I could be wrong, but my sense is that the Prowler would be quite a bit ahead of the other MBTs.

maradine · 2013-02-20, 06:01 PM

Fuel economy.