News: Jimmy Whisenhunt Joins PlanetSide 2 Team - Page 17

T MAN · 2012-06-23, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by OnexBigxHebrew

I'm still having trouble discovering what relation e-sports have with planetside. I am an AVID longtime player of Gears and Halo, played wth several MLG teams, etc, and I fail to see the relation between 'e-sports' (still hate that name) and PS2, and I don't see how the two are at all alike, aside from being FPSs. I'm getting way more of a BF3-esque 'imersive' war shooter feel than a Counterstrike twitchfest vibe from this game. Not knocking counterstike (outdated as it may be), but I feel like this kind of puts a damper on bringing Planetside into the future.

I just don't feel like injecting theory from an old system with a tiny community is the best way to capture an audience and make PlanetSide 2 great.

Then again, I'm a player who welcomes PS2 modernization. I can definately see why those experiencing culture shock after seeing ADS game footage would be overjoyed about this guy, and I respect those opinions, but here's 2 problems I see with this:

A) This guy is irrelevant to even the CURRENT e-sports scene. He's holding on to a game that few care about when other games are breaking live-stream records. He seems sharp, but not exactly a model of relevancy.

B) E-sports ARE irrelevent to planetside. This game has WAAAAAY too many gimmicks and variables to even be remotely considered sport-like, as an arena shooter would. Don't get me wrong - that's a good thing in my eyes, as I certainly feel like warfare and fun are what I want out of planetside, not some ill-convieved notion that this game is at all like a competitive arena game. It's going to be about strategy, Zerg, and firefights. Shit wizzing by your head, aircraft flying by, stuff blowing up everywhere, that stuff

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I like the idea of the devs considering balance, I just don't see what he has to offer. Either way, good luck to PS2 and Whisenhunt. Its still a good thing that the devs, especially in the F2P market, care about balance.

^This, could'nt have said it better myself.

Xyntech · 2012-06-23, 03:30 PM

A competitive CS player, cool. Sounds like if there are any problems with stuff like ADS being required at stupid ranges, he'll make sure it gets sorted out.

It's not like they put this guy in charge of the game, so this sounds like nothing but a positive to me. He can help tighten up some of the competitive balance aspects while the rest of the team makes sure it's still accessible to the masses at an entry level.

zomg · 2012-06-23, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by OnexBigxHebrew

I'm still having trouble discovering what relation e-sports have with planetside. I am an AVID longtime player of Gears and Halo, played wth several MLG teams, etc, and I fail to see the relation between 'e-sports' (still hate that name) and PS2, and I don't see how the two are at all alike, aside from being FPSs. I'm getting way more of a BF3-esque 'imersive' war shooter feel than a Counterstrike twitchfest vibe from this game. Not knocking counterstike (outdated as it may be), but I feel like this kind of puts a damper on bringing Planetside into the future.

I just don't feel like injecting theory from an old system with a tiny community is the best way to capture an audience and make PlanetSide 2 great.

Then again, I'm a player who welcomes PS2 modernization. I can definately see why those experiencing culture shock after seeing ADS game footage would be overjoyed about this guy, and I respect those opinions, but here's 2 problems I see with this:

A) This guy is irrelevant to even the CURRENT e-sports scene. He's holding on to a game that few care about when other games are breaking live-stream records. He seems sharp, but not exactly a model of relevancy.

B) E-sports ARE irrelevent to planetside. This game has WAAAAAY too many gimmicks and variables to even be remotely considered sport-like, as an arena shooter would. Don't get me wrong - that's a good thing in my eyes, as I certainly feel like warfare and fun are what I want out of planetside, not some ill-convieved notion that this game is at all like a competitive arena game. It's going to be about strategy, Zerg, and firefights. Shit wizzing by your head, aircraft flying by, stuff blowing up everywhere, that stuff

.

I like the idea of the devs considering balance, I just don't see what he has to offer. Either way, good luck to PS2 and Whisenhunt. Its still a good thing that the devs, especially in the F2P market, care about balance.

What does e-sports have to do with anything?

Do you really think they hired this guy because he is/was good in CS?

ODonnell · 2012-06-23, 03:57 PM

People are acting dense and are judging him on his background in esports and not what he was hired to do. He was hired because he was qualified. Competitive games do not equal e-sports.

OnexBigxHebrew · 2012-06-23, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by zomg

What does e-sports have to do with anything?

Do you really think they hired this guy because he is/was good in CS?

Did you read through the rest of the posts before replying to me?

It's mostly been "Counterstrike this, competitive that, twitch this, ADS that". My point is just that this guys persepective is a very dated one.

Also, my post was merely to point out that this guy doesn't seem qualified for anything other than counterstrike-related endeavors.

zomg · 2012-06-23, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by OnexBigxHebrew

Did you read through the rest of the posts before replying to me?

It's mostly been "Counterstrike this, competitive that, twitch this, ADS that". My point is just that this guys persepective is a very dated one.

Also, my post was merely to point out that this guy doesn't seem qualified for anything other than counterstrike-related endeavors.

Nice that you noticed. Everyone who is complaining has been talking about CS and e-sports.

My question was, what does his hiring have to do with either of those?

At no point did they say "Ok we hired him to make PS2 the most awesome e-sports"

Nor did they say "Ok we hired him because he can pwn us in CS"

I mean do you seriously think that they would hire him only because he is or was a good CS player? Not meaning to offend you or anything, but how dumb would someone have to be to hire a person purely because he's good in CS?

Fek · 2012-06-23, 04:43 PM

People are acting dense and are judging him on his background in esports and not what he was hired to do. He was hired because he was qualified. Competitive games do not equal e-sports.

This. He has a long history of playing and commenting on fps games. He is here to help the developers create a balanced game with engaging gunplay that has a skill ceiling noticeably higher than the floor. Watch his analysis of CSGO vs CS1.6. Who wouldn't want tight character movement and gun feedback e-sport or not?

Mordelicius · 2012-06-23, 04:56 PM

SOE focusing on tightening gameplay>>> SOE focusing on fancy trailers.

OnexBigxHebrew · 2012-06-23, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by zomg

Nice that you noticed. Everyone who is complaining has been talking about CS and e-sports.

My question was, what does his hiring have to do with either of those?

At no point did they say "Ok we hired him to make PS2 the most awesome e-sports"

Nor did they say "Ok we hired him because he can pwn us in CS"

I mean do you seriously think that they would hire him only because he is or was a good CS player? Not meaning to offend you or anything, but how dumb would someone have to be to hire a person purely because he's good in CS?

My point was that I can't think of another reason TO hire him. What the hell else is this guy about, lol?

I'm just saying that this guy literally lives and breathes a scene and FPS ideology that doesn't mesh well at all with whats been shown of PS2, and I think kind of sends a mixed message as to PS2 gameplay goals.

Kind of feels like a PR move to appease all of the old-school kids and make them not be so whiny and doomsayer about this game's look and feel, and give them peace of mind.

I'm obv not saying they're trying to make PS2 into an e-sport, because that sounds stupid, and it never could/would happen. My point is, with that said, I can't see a use for this guy.

This game is just NOT that serious, imo. lol. It's a F2P MMO. Fun, nothing more.

And for the record, Pro Quake/CS = Pro covered wagon racing. :P

FINALCUT · 2012-06-23, 05:11 PM

Welcome to the forum Jimmy. I do have a question for you, what faction will you be playing. ? I understand that you need to play all three to test out the feel of the guns and such,but is there one you prefer over the others ?

Have you checked out the back story for the factions ? What faction draws you in the most ? Just remember NC is the best faction and you should come to our side. Also,your boss plays NC so that should influence your decision.

Do you have a favorite weapon so far ? Just want to get to know you a little better.

Don't let the crazies in this forum scare you,some people are all like ZOMG THEY ARE GONNA RUIN MY PLANETSIDE. This is the most pationate community I have ever seen,bordering on rabid and phsycopathic IMO. Seriously,these people scare the hell out of me. Tread lightly my friend,tread lightly.

zomg · 2012-06-23, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by OnexBigxHebrew

My point was that I can't think of another reason TO hire him. What the hell else is this guy about, lol?

I'm just saying that this guy literally lives and breathes a scene and FPS ideology that doesn't mesh well at all with whats been shown of PS2, and I think kind of sends a mixed message as to PS2 gameplay goals.

Kind of feels like a PR move to appease all of the old-school kids and make them not be so whiny and doomsayer about this game's look and feel, and give them peace of mind.

I'm obv not saying they're trying to make PS2 into an e-sport, because that sounds stupid, and it never could/would happen. My point is, with that said, I can't see a use for this guy.

This game is just NOT that serious, imo. lol. It's a F2P MMO. Fun, nothing more.

And for the record, Pro Quake/CS = Pro covered wagon racing. :P

As I have mentioned in the thread earlier (or at least tried to make a point of it) is that at least it seems to me, that the reason for hiring him was that he is good in finding the mechanics that make the game fun and rewarding, and the ability to work with those details to make them better.

At least this is essentially what I got out from the videos from him I saw. Sure, he was talking about CS, but the fact is that he was able to very precisely pinpoint the facts from the game and communicate them effectively while comparing them to another game to understand why the mechanics in the other game were better and how it could be changed to improve the current game.

I have played a lot of shooters and what he described regarding what's wrong in CS:GO and how it was better, and other things he mentioned, are pretty much spot on for most shooters of that style. I'm sure you can agree with that if you have played CS.

Assuming he can do similar observations about PS2, I'm sure it's all going to help the devs make the game better.

Virulence · 2012-06-23, 05:26 PM

Having tight gameplay with a high skillcap - good, precise movement, good weapon balance and feel, and environments that require great positioning and promote high situational awareness and communicative team play - will make the game better and not "dumbed down" at all. Planetside was dumbed down.

Furthermore, if the game is fun to play, feels good, and promotes skilled play in huge 200v200v200 battles as well as in small 5v5 battles, everybody wins. If he can help accomplish that, even just a little, awesome.

**whisenhunt** · 2012-06-23, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by I SandRock

Great a CS Kiddie deciding the design of PS2. ;_;

EDIT: Ok im starting to like him after reading his posts here...

EDIT2: Oh wait no he didn't even mention playing UT. Screw you quake / TFC lovers. UT:GOTY instagib for life!

I remember going to buy UT:GOTY, had to beg my parents for weeks... LOL

UT was a ton of fun, Facing worlds > all.

JimmyOmaha · 2012-06-23, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by whisenhunt

I remember going to buy UT:GOTY, had to beg my parents for weeks... LOL

UT was a ton of fun, Facing worlds > all.

Fell off, countless times.

MaestroTV · 2012-06-23, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by whisenhunt

I remember going to buy UT:GOTY, had to beg my parents for weeks... LOL

UT was a ton of fun, Facing worlds > all.

LOL yes, I have flashbacks to Facing Worlds everytime I see a bridge map, good times