News: The Lightning First Look! [[Updated] Images]] - Page 17

Baneblade · 2012-04-29, 08:20 PM

The Lightning isn't too long horizontally, it is too short vertically.

Athanasios · 2012-04-29, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Erendil

Ok, yeah I'm really not liking the long design now...

Irrelevant with the topic but just saw your sig mate; one of the "logical" reasons to have fixed cannon turret on a hover tank is due to balance/stability issues of the vehicle. It's the EXACT same tank/concept like Nekomata tank of BF2142 (and the explanation i gave you was also the same

).

Sirisian · 2012-04-29, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

The Lightning isn't too long horizontally, it is too short vertically.

That's a different way of looking at the problem.

If anyone is curious 72% are indifferent or fine with the current lightning shown. 28% explicitly mentioned they don't like the length. 36% want a change of any kind. (A few of them feel the lightning is too similar to the Vanguard). (138 polled).

Code:

Good (didn't say anything about the length) (88)
Evil Redrum
Rbstr
Saieno
JPalmer
The Janitor
Canaris
Doctor Digit
Ailos
Raymac
Grognard
SGTalon
Hamma
subchucK
Lorgarn
bigcracker
ringring
Miir
emerald
TheBiscuit
Artimus
headcrab13
QuakCow
VioletZero
SuperMorto
Jennyboo
capiqu
Mod
JHendy
DOUBLEXBAUGH
QuantumMechanic
basti
Shogun
Sleepy
Unforgiven
kertvon
Dullard
Quovatis
Sgt Shultz
Mastachief
Dreamcast (? said it looked huge)
Noivad
Bravix (length looked odd at first)
Seagoon
Badjuju
Nobel
Notser
Oryon22
Hmr85
Blackwolf
PredatorFour
Toppopia
Aurmanite
Reginald
Sardus
Suiciderunner
Sobekeus
Sledgecrushr
Tachyr
That one noob
SniperSteve (likes shorter also)
atone
Kran De Loy
KTNApollo
Levente
DxC
Robotix
Marinealver
TalonGriffin
IDukeNukeml
Xaine
Krowser (? not sure)
DDSHADE
FIREk
LostSoul
Xyntech
Ceska
Shamrock
Bine
Mag-Mower
Aaron
Ruffdog
RadioFIN
Crazyduckling
Raka Maru
Saintlycow
LancerNC
Tamas
Gandhi

Not sure on the design (12)
Sabrak
Wargrim (turret complaint)
Arkanakaz (vanguard)
cryosin (vanguard)
NewSith (MBT?)
Vancha (vanguard)
Virulence (longer barrel)
DoomBlackDragon (wants slow and heavy armored)
Twik Tarski (wants a change?)
T MAN (Tracks are odd)
dobs (AA problem)
frigamache (ugly, wants ES ones)

Too Long (38)
Sirisian
Jaxbrain
MacTruckuLes
Brusi
Graywolves
Sabrak
Tatwi
Talek Krell
Furber
Dragonien
Vanir
Hooah
TerminatorUK
Malorn
Zulthus (? not sure if compliment)
Pollo Jack
Tapman
BorisBlade
NlightN
Erendil
xSquirtle (? not sure if compliment)
Lonehunter
FINALCUT
Red Beard
Waltibaba (? not sure if compliment)
ratfusion
Bags
CutterJohn
Jonny
Figment
Magpie
Mechzz
evansra
MrBloodworth
nathanebht
biertrappist
outsider (? different front same length?)
Wakken

Raka Maru · 2012-04-29, 09:31 PM

I'm having suspicions (in an artillery thread) that the long design could support a very long barrel.

ShinSpitfire · 2012-04-30, 04:23 PM

here is my suspicion

Graywolves · 2012-04-30, 04:48 PM

I like the lightning much better now that I've seen it in comparison to the other MBTs.

But I think that bridge is stealing the show.

Erendil · 2012-05-01, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Athanasios

Irrelevant with the topic but just saw your sig mate; one of the "logical" reasons to have fixed cannon turret on a hover tank is due to balance/stability issues of the vehicle. It's the EXACT same tank/concept like Nekomata tank of BF2142 (and the explanation i gave you was also the same

).

I'm not 100% sure what you're referring to here. Are you talking about the Mag's physical stability while firing its main cannon since its a hovertank? If so, IMO that shouldn't be an issue for the Mag since it differs from the Nekomata in one key area: the type of ordnance used.

The Nekomata tank fires conventional heavy HEAT shells and so its cannon would have a massive recoil and I can see where they might want to keep the turret fixed to better absorb the shock.

The Mag OTOH fires low-mass, high-KE energy blasts of some sort, and as such would have little to no recoil. And given the wide base of the Mag, from a stability-standpoint I would think it'd have no issue fielding a rotating turret.

Originally Posted by Sirisian

That's a different way of looking at the problem.

If anyone is curious 72% are indifferent or fine with the current lightning shown. 28% explicitly mentioned they don't like the length. 36% want a change of any kind. (A few of them feel the lightning is too similar to the Vanguard). (138 polled).

Cool synopsis, thanks for compiling it.

28% is a is pretty high number of people who didn't like the length enough to actually mention it. Makes you wonder how many of those "no comments" didn't like it either but didn't think it worth mentioning or whatever.

Given the tank comparison pics, I also wonder how many of the "length dislikes" would be okay w/ the design if the turret were moved forward by a foot or two on the chassis.

I definitely wouldn't want it any taller though.

Ailos · 2012-05-01, 07:00 PM

Holy fuck I'm still shocked by how awesome that vanny looks compared to... pretty much anything else. Looks like a proper behemoth.

Oh an the lightning's not bad, too.

BorisBlade · 2012-05-03, 05:17 PM

I laugh at the speed comments thinking this will be crazy fast. Keep in mind that "faster than everything but the ATV" just means faster than a slow ass bazillion ton lumbering tank or a heavily armored school bus.

Its like sayin you can outrun two 400+ lb. fat people. My grandmother can do that and she's still slow. Plus they could just barely be faster, you have no idea. This flavor text for these vehicles is nice, but until we get real numbers you cant tell squat. The old lightning was only 6mph (10kph) faster than a magrider and people stupidly thought it was fast. 6mph is meaningless in a real fight.

Immigrant · 2012-05-03, 05:42 PM

It looks good but I agree that it is a bit too long. It's would look better if shorter imo, also you'd be harder to hit.

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

Not really a fan. It does not take enough from the original. It also looks a lot like the other tanks ( IE: Modern tank designs )

I never played PS1 but I must say I agree with you. Four separate caterpillars and main chassis above their level simply look awesome - it gives it the "car on treads" look. Remake is way more robust and it's armor plating looks "heavier".

SKYeXile · 2012-05-03, 06:17 PM

yea, the original is still the best. this one? i dunno it looks like some 1970s futuristic car model that would never go into production rather than a tank.

Raka Maru · 2012-05-03, 11:00 PM

I hope there's a mod (in the shop?) to take off the fenders and give us back the raw quad track system in all it's glory! Perhaps as a speed buff that trades off armour.

They did say hundreds of customizations IIRC.

Edit: re-read the interview, it said hundreds of unlockable certs.
http://www.gamesradar.com/planetside-2-exclusive-interview-talks-lessons-learned-and-player-politics/

GR: How important will vehicles be in skirmishes? Do you expect some players to specialize in driving X tank or Y plane?
MH: Vehicles are critical in PlanetSide 2, from combat vehicles to more logistic orientated vehicles, they’re all very important in terms of overall strategy. We definitely expect to see players specialize, and right now have hundreds of certifications to unlock for each vehicle role in the game.

Traak · 2012-05-03, 11:12 PM

I'm wondering if the length is to limit the places it can go, such as forests, and expect full maneuverability?

Raka Maru · 2012-05-03, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Traak

I'm wondering if the length is to limit the places it can go, such as forests, and expect full maneuverability?

I'm thinking it's a base for some very long barrels in upgrades.

Baneblade · 2012-05-04, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

I'm wondering if the length is to limit the places it can go, such as forests, and expect full maneuverability?

Full maneuverability... like the ability to turn 360 degrees without moving forward or backward?