Gun Control

[Figment]

You can have a trillion arguments but I'll still go "nanananana I can't hear you and I haz a guuUhuUuunn".

So mature! <3 And so non-understanding of normal life. I understand fully why you think you need it, I'm just telling you I don't agree and you're all dangerously paranoid living in a dangerously paranoid society. And the worst thing is, you dare call that freedom.

You wouldn't recognise freedom if it bit you in the arse.

[Baneblade]

I don't see how having a gun means I'm paranoid.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I don't see how having a gun means I'm paranoid.

Having one? No, no no no no. That's not the insinuation.


It's the reasoning for having one that's being used, namely very unlikely situations (from a gang attacking (using guns) to commie Russia invading to having to bring down the government with force, to societal collapse) and the complete ignoring of potential actual threats that you create in the meantime.


Read through the pages and tally the arguments used in favour and how many people actually have had to use it. If there's little chance you ever need to use it, you only get it out of paranoia that you might need it and to feel safer (meaning your main reason for getting one is fear).

Those people that run to the gun store every time a mass murder spree occurs thinking they might help themselves on next event where there's a smaller chance than a car crash that they will be the victim? Paranoid.

Meanwhile argueing that no safer community can exist? Willfully ignorant to facts.


If you're truly free, you don't have to fear the government, you don't have to fear those around you potentially hurting you (meaning you don't need excessive personal defenses). You'd be free from fear itself. And yes, in some cases that does mean you accept you're not always going to be in control of every situation. Having a gun doesn't reduce the amount of threats in your area, it increases it.

[Baneblade]

You have home insurance? How often do you think you will ever need it?

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

You have home insurance? How often do you think you will ever need it?

How often has insurance been used to threaten to kill you, has insurance provoked a violent reaction (turning threat into violent action against you rather than flight), has insurance been used to kill others, or did insurance go off by accident hurting or even killing someone in the process?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Figment

How often has insurance been used to threaten to kill you, has insurance provoked a violent reaction (turning threat into violent action against you rather than flight), has insurance been used to kill others, or did insurance go off by accident hurting or even killing someone in the process?

Okay, if you want to play around, I can too:

'How often has a motor vehicle been used to threaten to kill you,'

Five, four more times than firearms.

'Has a motor vehicle provoked a violent reaction (*),'

I don't threaten people, with anything other than a good time.

'have motor vehicles been used to kill others,'

Daily.

'or did a motor vehicle cause an accident hurting or even killing someone in the process.'

Hourly.

Anyway, my point is, being able to protect my family, my person, and my property proactively beats cashing out life insurance, medical insurance, or property insurance. You can't win this debate. I don't give a damn how many stupid people kill themselves with guns, cars, drugs, or bananas. I don't give a damn that some irresponsible shithead is going to get life in prison for accidentally shooting someone.

I give a damn about what I can directly influence. Call it whatever you want, but Americans are miles more self independent than you are. By the time the police show up to save the day, my wife would be dead and/or raped, and my daughter kidnapped. Only a fool would use a less effective weapon in a volatile situation voluntarily.

[CutterJohn]

My brother is like you. Has guns to protect the family. He lives in rural Iowa. I think there's been one murder in my hometown in the last 100 years.

Quite silly.

Not that I'm against owning guns. I love guns. But this idea of having them to protect you is pretty hilarious. Not quite as ridiculous as having them to protect from the government, but close. The most common interaction home defense weapons have with criminals is to be stolen.

In the end, the vast majority of people are going to blow a lot of hot air about personal freedoms, which is fine, but its still just hot air. A very tiny minority will ever actually need that weapon, and even less will be in a position to use it when needed. To hear people like you talk its like the US is on the verge of anarchy and your gun is the only thing holding back the tide of murderers and rapists.

Nah. Its just a fun toy. Sure, it has a vanishingly small chance of protecting you from a violent assault or death, so keep one. But stop with the melodrama.

[Baneblade]

Call it whatever you like, I've been nothing but honest with you judgmental pricks.

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Originally Posted by Baneblade

Call it whatever you like, I've been nothing but honest with you judgmental pricks.

I call that insulting too.

Judgemental? No. Objective? Yes. It is objectively demonstratable that your society is miles behind in terms of freedom and security, not to mention being overwhelmed with fear campaigns and that you're therefore a much more paranoid society.

That's a fact. And an honest observation. Look at any political add in your country and check how much of it is about fear mongering. Every marketing guy knows that the best motivation to buy is not pointing out that you might win something, but that you might lose (out on) something if you don't buy.

And guess when there's a surge in weapon sells? When the weapon branch starts pointing out someone MIGHT take your guns away from you or restrict sales by requiring a bit more pre-knowledge, or that someone else who used their tools was very efficient with them so you should protect yourself, etc. Arms dealers always win as long as there's a war to be fueled in your case, you just pretend there's a random imaginary war potentially coming your way. Whether it's a fight against animals, criminals, communists, islamists, your own government or rebel states, you don't care. Everything is potentially hostile. THAT my dear, is called paranoia.

And guess what the response is? BOTH more weapons sold AND people voting Republicans who cut corporate taxes. You're being played like a flute using the "freedom"-argument by large weapon corporations and you don't even (want to) realise it due to an obsession with an unneeded device.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Figment

I call that insulting too.

Judgemental? No. Objective? Yes. It is objectively demonstratable that your society is miles behind in terms of freedom and security, not to mention being overwhelmed with fear campaigns and that you're therefore a much more paranoid society.

Well, you are lumping me in with them. That is judgmental. Yeah, many Americans are ignorant hipsters with a streak of paranoia, but not all of us are. Just like not all of you are pot smoking dandies with nothing better to do than throw rhesus feces at Americans on internet forums.

That's a fact. And an honest observation. Look at any political add in your country and check how much of it is about fear mongering. Every marketing guy knows that the best motivation to buy is not pointing out that you might win something, but that you might lose (out on) something if you don't buy.

Why do you think so many of us are supporting Ron Paul?

And guess when there's a surge in weapon sells? When the weapon branch starts pointing out someone MIGHT take your guns away from you or restrict sales by requiring a bit more pre-knowledge, or that someone else who used their tools was very efficient with them so you should protect yourself, etc. Arms dealers always win as long as there's a war to be fueled in your case, you just pretend there's a random imaginary war potentially coming your way. Whether it's a fight against animals, criminals, communists, islamists, your own government or rebel states, you don't care. Everything is potentially hostile. THAT my dear, is called paranoia.

Stereotyping. I don't called being prepared being paranoid.

And guess what the response is? BOTH more weapons sold AND people voting Republicans who cut corporate taxes. You're being played like a flute using the "freedom"-argument by large weapon corporations and you don't even (want to) realise it due to an obsession with an unneeded device.

I don't have an obsession with firearms. They are a tool in the right hands.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Well, you are lumping me in with them. That is judgmental. Yeah, many Americans are ignorant hipsters with a streak of paranoia, but not all of us are. Just like not all of you are pot smoking dandies with nothing better to do than throw rhesus feces at Americans on internet forums.

Wait what, there's rhesus feces available and you only tell me now? D:

Why do you think so many of us are supporting Ron Paul?

Lies and slander campaign and a completely utopic, ideology ridden, insane worldview? >.>

Stereotyping. I don't called being prepared being paranoid.

Being prepared against potential zombie invasions (which is basically what it comes down to), is paranoia.

I don't have an obsession with firearms. They are a tool in the right hands.

If you think your life is worth less than your firearm (you'd rather die than give them up), then you're definitely obsessed by them.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Figment

Wait what, there's rhesus feces available and you only tell me now? D:

What.. and give you ammo?

Lies and slander campaign and a completely utopic, ideology ridden, insane worldview? >.>

That's a status quo party line if I ever heard one.

Being prepared against potential zombie invasions (which is basically what it comes down to), is paranoia.

So what are master martial artists paranoid about?

If you think your life is worth less than your firearm (you'd rather die than give them up), then you're definitely obsessed by them.

I'd rather die than have my liberties taken away. But, I wouldn't necessarily die just because I'd fight back.

[Warborn]

Guns don't make you safer. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself in your life you will be one of the (un)lucky ones. Meanwhile, there's this lethal device just waiting around for someone to use it in a fit of rage.

Although I'm sure if you look there's an NRA "study" that concludes the opposite, and suggests having a gun makes you more handsome, reduces your mortgage and leads to a better sex life.

[Hamma]

mmmm.. cherries.

[Baneblade]

So the best argument against my being able to own guns are statistics that are irrelevant to me and sarcasm.