Originally Posted by exile
I refer to "micro" as the aiming of the crosshair and specific player movement, anything that you are doing directly on the keyboard and mouse. This is currently about as simple a learning curve as is possible, it's the most basic operation of moving the crosshair to a slow moving target.
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So far, agree.
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Changing TTK doesn't change the learning curve, the concept remains the same and the person will always grasp what they need to do.
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Utterly wrong on all counts. When the (practical) TTK increases, new elements start mattering: cover, leading targets (consistently), timing reloads, (blocking) escape routes, your or their time to close or widen the distance from the moment of engagement initiation due to trying to get in or out of the optimal range of the other person's weapon and deliberately trying to alter their and your own practical TTK to your advantage.
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Getting better then becomes a matter of refining physical control, not learning new concepts. Even with an incredibly low TTK a new player still understands how they were killed and what they need to do to do the same thing to someone else.
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That's not true either. When the TTK is longer, they get more time to observe what the other player is doing and use this to their advantage the next time. If the TTK is very short, they only see the endresult of the player, not how that player moves in relation to them to maximise the effectiveness of their weapon for instance.
Often they don't know initially where the player started to fire from. If you can turn around and return fire - often first needing to determine where that player is - being at medium to long range - then this gives them new information to work with. If a sniper doesn't kill instantly for instance, the player may find out where the sniper is firing from by actively looking for them and learning to use the sniper's tracer fire to detect their position.
If the sniper or long range weapons don't kill very fast, a player with a shorter range rifle and some recuperation options may be able to close the distance by use of running from rock to rock and closing the distance enough and recuperating in between sprints enough to take on the sniper on their own terms, rather than the long range snipy terms. Learning what cover is viable is better to do if you get a second chance, than if you get only one chance.
If a proximity mine doesn't kill instantly, the player can check how that mine had been placed and if that's an interesting location for them too, rather than just look at the respawn screen and having to wait till next time coming down there. If a player is hit by a proxy mine or remote mine for all I care and survives to see where the placer of said remote mine is located and detonated it from (line of sight used), this might give the player information on good positions to use themselves some other time, or expect the player to be there the next time even if they die. If they die without that information, what did they learn? That a mine at a chokepoint killed them that a remote control thingy killed them?
If TTK takes a bit longer, a player may learn to find an erratic movement pattern (aside from the actual point and click, this could be one of the physical control bits you relate to I guess?). Zig-zag maneuvres become more viable if you don't die to a minute amount of splash damage for instance. Hence why full blast damage radius being reduced has some impact: it increases the TTK needed.
If TTK takes a bit longer, a player may start recognising names and movement and preference weapons patterns for specific, individual enemies. This is information that can be used next time they know they will encounter that player to determine the area they will give priority for covering as chances would be that player would use that (like knowing someone always taking a football penalty in the same manner is an advantage to a goalkeeper).
Speaking of HE AoE, if a player is hit by HE and isn't instantly killed, that player can note the angle at which he was fired at and what was used to splash him. If he dies instantly, it is unlikely the player can observe and differentiate between a near miss and a direct hit, let alone angle and angle at which he was fired upon or the splash point on the surrounding terrain. Simply because again, the player is watching the respawn screen and may still not know who hit him from where.
A player new to shotguns would sooner realise getting close is advantageous. So moving on the inner side of a stairwell is better for them. Someone with a rifle would sooner realise that in an engagement with someone with a shotgun, they might want to back off, rather than close in and take the outside corners of a stairwell (very noticable movement diffrence between users wielding Jackhammers and MCGs in PS1).
All in all, the shorter the TTK, the less time you have to make observations. The less time you have to make observations, the less you will learn from individual engagements, thus the learning curve will be longer.
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The "macro" is everything from an individual's situational awareness right up to continent level coordinated strategy and tactics. You say the macro has "too many options" and then that it is "incredibly simple"?!?
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Individual situational awareness is micro-level and related directly to micromanagement. Continental situational awareness (continental map reading ability) is macro level situational awareness. Minimap is more micro-level than macro because it's related to what you can detect.
The continental strategy is macro-level has so many options that whatever you do is meaningless. That means it's beyond the complexity level where decisions actually matter:
If I go to A, I'll lose B and C. If I go to B, I lose A and C. If I split up and hold A and B, I'll lose C and probably either A or B due to being outnumbered. So it doesn't really matter what you do, you lose anyway unless you have superior numbers.
And in many cases, I may not even actually fight anyone, but since you don't know in advance and can't communicate well with the rest of the empire (/sitrep, good active command chat with actual leaders instead of a small amount of people on /sl who barely use orders because when they send one order they are not allowed to send another for five minutes - ie you can't really lead well either by coordinating multiple areas at the same time and asking for information etc).
It's a game catering to random zerging, not for actual smart decision making or coordination beyond the outfit level.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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That seems to happen a lot.
Strangely, I don't have that effect on people who played resecure teams day in day out in PS1.
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